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	:Noble Born was used as an Elf Class in the Porc Hunters Campaign--[[User:5ilver42\|5ilver42]] ([[User talk:5ilver42\|talk]]) 17:44, 10 June 2015 (UTC)		:Noble Born was used as an Elf Class in the Porc Hunters Campaign--[[User:5ilver42\|5ilver42]] ([[User talk:5ilver42\|talk]]) 17:44, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

	===Cards===		== Cards ==
	How should we place the cards here? The way the are on the Cards page now, in the green table? Or does anyone else have a different style for them?--[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 22:45, 4 June 2015 (UTC)		How should we place the cards here? The way the are on the Cards page now, in the green table? Or does anyone else have a different style for them?--[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 22:45, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
	:We should probably use a template similar to [[Template:Class Card Sheet]]. Makes changing the style and layout later easier. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 22:49, 4 June 2015 (UTC)		:We should probably use a template similar to [[Template:Class Card Sheet]]. Makes changing the style and layout later easier. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 22:49, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
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	::::::Alright, all done! --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 14:45, 5 June 2015 (UTC)		::::::Alright, all done! --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 14:45, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

	===Mobs===		== Mobs ==
	*I personally think that creatures such as Blood Snakes, Sun Hounds, etc. don't belong on this page. I think this page is better suited to creatures that actually have Race Cards, so Kobolds and Porcs can stay for now, although we have yet to include their cards. Also, what happened to the Race Card Template that was on this page? I see no reasoning for its removal.--[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 08:01, 6 June 2015 (UTC)		*I personally think that creatures such as Blood Snakes, Sun Hounds, etc. don't belong on this page. I think this page is better suited to creatures that actually have Race Cards, so Kobolds and Porcs can stay for now, although we have yet to include their cards. Also, what happened to the Race Card Template that was on this page? I see no reasoning for its removal.--[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 08:01, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

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			=== New Races ===
			{\| class="wikitable"
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			! Race
			! Sub-races
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			\| Dwarf
			\| Dvergr Dvergr, Hill Dwarf, Tall Dwarf
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			\| Elf
			\| Spellblade, Dwelf, Scarred
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			\| Forn
			\| Female Forn, Male Forn, Noble Born
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			\| Gnome
			\| Keen, Okagnoma
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			\| Goblin
			\| Blood Batter, Bright Goblin, Piggerback Goblin
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			\| High Bear
			\| Flame Order, Templar Knight, Low Bear
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			\| Kobold
			\| Groundbold, Stonequisitor, Triton Ground
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			\| Porc
			\| Black Boar, Bone Tusk, Gravehoof
			\|-
			\| Shellmind
			\| Freemind, Shadow Clan, Tortoisehood
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			\| Slime
			\| Green Slime, Red Slime, Stone Slime
			\|}
			*I think the new cards are connected like this. Some cards don't really mention any race connection though, hard to tell where they belong. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 14:00, 3 June 2015 (EDT)
			:I think we should only post things that are confirmed to appear in game the following week. Because who knows how much will change, ya know? --[[User:IronClark\|IronClark]] ([[User talk:IronClark\|talk]]) 14:14, 3 June 2015 (EDT)
			::Good point. I'll just leave it in here. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 14:21, 3 June 2015 (EDT)
			:Noble Born was used as an Elf Class in the Porc Hunters Campaign--[[User:5ilver42\|5ilver42]] ([[User talk:5ilver42\|talk]]) 13:44, 10 June 2015 (EDT)

			===Cards===
			How should we place the cards here? The way the are on the Cards page now, in the green table? Or does anyone else have a different style for them?--[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 18:45, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
			:We should probably use a template similar to [[Template:Class Card Sheet]]. Makes changing the style and layout later easier. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 18:49, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
			::But how would we do it? A template for Races and another for subraces? Or One template that has the main race first, followed by the subraces? I personally prefer the latter, but the former might be easier to sort. Although this page is an overview page, and the eventual list on the [[Cards]] page is going to be easier for sorting anyway, so... --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 07:43, 5 June 2015 (EDT)
			:::I don't exactly understand what you mean. Do you want to have races and subraces in the same table? What would the headers be? If you can create an example with a race and a sub-race in it I'll try to make a template out of it. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 07:51, 5 June 2015 (EDT)
			::::I create a [[Template:Card Sheet/Race\|template]] based on your class one to indicate what I mean. The first row would be the Main Race, the rows beneath those the subraces. I think it works, but the only thing I would change would be to color the first row differently, to indicate that it is the main race. Of course this is but a proposal, if you've got something else, feel free to share. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 08:09, 5 June 2015 (EDT)
			:::::That would work. The color for following rows can be changed. You would have a different table for each race right? I'll put in the style in the template because I don't think we can't change the css page. 08:13, 5 June 2015 (EDT)
			::::::Yeah, a different table for each race. The plan is to put all the races in a table and all the subraces in a table on the main [[Cards]] page anyway, so there they'll be together. But on the Races page I prefer an separation per race for clarity. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 08:45, 5 June 2015 (EDT)
			::::::Feel free to request Common.css changes in the Admin ToDo if you need it. I'll try to keep the classes generic so theyre reusable elsewhere. [[User:Plornt\|Plornt]] ([[User talk:Plornt\|talk]]) 08:50, 5 June 2015 (EDT)
			::::::Alright, all done! --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 10:45, 5 June 2015 (EDT)

			===Mobs===
			*I personally think that creatures such as Blood Snakes, Sun Hounds, etc. don't belong on this page. I think this page is better suited to creatures that actually have Race Cards, so Kobolds and Porcs can stay for now, although we have yet to include their cards. Also, what happened to the Race Card Template that was on this page? I see no reasoning for its removal.--[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 04:01, 6 June 2015 (EDT)

			*Yeah not sure what happened to the race template, but I vote for it back! Any other opinions? [[User:Pillowkeeper\|Pillowkeeper]] ([[User talk:Pillowkeeper\|talk]]) 09:23, 6 June 2015 (EDT)
			:Agreed, if anyone can't give me a good reason for the change, I'll just revert it to its previous state and add Kobold and Porc to a 'Future Races' header or something. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 09:34, 6 June 2015 (EDT)

			*I've decided to add the reasoning here, copied from the user's talk page: --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 11:08, 6 June 2015 (EDT)
			: Basically showing the cards didn't actually add any new information, but it did take up a ton of room on the page and prevented us from adding information about races we don't have cards for. If we want to display those cards it makes more sense to do it on the actual page for the each race instead of the main page listing all the races together.
			::I agree with that decision, and am going to add the templates to the individual race pages instead, as we do for the class pages now. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 11:08, 6 June 2015 (EDT)

			*I still don't agree that Sun Hounds, Blood Snakes, EagleBears, MonkeyFish, Gemlings, Skeletons and Mermaids are Races though. Those belong on the [[NPC's]] page, under Mobs, not here in my opinion. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 11:23, 6 June 2015 (EDT)
			::Agreed. They are not ''races'' in the terms of the game. If they ever get the required background they can be added, but as of now they just appeared as creatures during a campaign. At least they should not have the same emphasis as the main races. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 07:44, 8 June 2015 (EDT)
			:::The problem with this is that Koblods were never intended to be a playable Race, or at least not yet, however they were made so, meaning theoretically any Mob is a possible playable Race, especially the ones that can talk. Skeletons and Mermaids could potentially become playable Races. Had Philhipe never become a playable character by Deadbones we'd be fine, however now we've established that the Players can play as Mobs under certain circumstances and those Mobs have their own unique abilities when being played just like other races. And to be completely honest mobs ARE races, most just aren't playble races yet, that's why they were under the NPC title on this page. --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 13:38, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
			::::And here is another curve ball, I'm watching the VOD of Justin's Character creation stream and he, Roamin and DB revealed that its Pirate Themed week with the playable races as "Kobolds and Gnomes." I think we should just wait till friday to fix everything up with the Mobs vs. Races with the Kobolds, but I agree with you, Pete, just about any mob can be playable.--[[User:IronClark\|IronClark]] ([[User talk:IronClark\|talk]]) 13:43, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
			:::::I do think Kobolds were intended to be a playable race. I wouldn't know what the point of making cards for them is if the public will never see them. But since there are also cards for things like Slimes I could be wrong. Anyways for clarity I think we should just put races that are available at character creations as main races, or playable races whatever you want to call it. The rest of creatures/mobs/minor races could of course have their own section here or maybe put them on a seperate page. Putting it on the NPCs page does probably not make a lot of sense. I think that should just be for characters that aren't party members, not a listing of species. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 14:21, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
			:::::: I agree. This is why things are a bit complicated. NPCs are supposed to be specific characters, heck that's what the "C" stands for, so having a list of races on that page doesn't actually make a lot of sense. What we had previously had is exactly what you're suggesting Skydivizer. We had the Playble Races available that at character selection at the top of the page and then there was a separate header underneath that for NPC races. I'm suggesting we just go back to that and if an NPC race becomes playble just move it up on the page instead of having to take it off a different page and add it to this one. --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 14:36, 10 June 2015 (EDT)

			So, why can't this page simply be a page for all the species encountered in the world? That is a huge part of the game, and many people seem interested. There can be two pages, races and creatures, but a page on this tab that is specifically for every known life form would be much simpler. It also builds the world. --[[User:PureLemons\|PureLemons]] ([[User talk:PureLemons\|talk]]) 17:23, 20 June 2015

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	*I think the new cards are connected like this. Some cards don't really mention any race connection though, hard to tell where they belong. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 14:00, 3 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		*I think the new cards are connected like this. Some cards don't really mention any race connection though, hard to tell where they belong. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 18:00, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
	:I think we should only post things that are confirmed to appear in game the following week. Because who knows how much will change, ya know? --[[User:IronClark\|IronClark]] ([[User talk:IronClark\|talk]]) 14:14, 3 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		:I think we should only post things that are confirmed to appear in game the following week. Because who knows how much will change, ya know? --[[User:IronClark\|IronClark]] ([[User talk:IronClark\|talk]]) 18:14, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
	::Good point. I'll just leave it in here. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 14:21, 3 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		::Good point. I'll just leave it in here. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 18:21, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
	:Noble Born was used as an Elf Class in the Porc Hunters Campaign--[[User:5ilver42\|5ilver42]] ([[User talk:5ilver42\|talk]]) 13:44, 10 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		:Noble Born was used as an Elf Class in the Porc Hunters Campaign--[[User:5ilver42\|5ilver42]] ([[User talk:5ilver42\|talk]]) 17:44, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

	===Cards===		===Cards===
	How should we place the cards here? The way the are on the Cards page now, in the green table? Or does anyone else have a different style for them?--[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 18:45, 4 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		How should we place the cards here? The way the are on the Cards page now, in the green table? Or does anyone else have a different style for them?--[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 22:45, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
	:We should probably use a template similar to [[Template:Class Card Sheet]]. Makes changing the style and layout later easier. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 18:49, 4 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		:We should probably use a template similar to [[Template:Class Card Sheet]]. Makes changing the style and layout later easier. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 22:49, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
	::But how would we do it? A template for Races and another for subraces? Or One template that has the main race first, followed by the subraces? I personally prefer the latter, but the former might be easier to sort. Although this page is an overview page, and the eventual list on the [[Cards]] page is going to be easier for sorting anyway, so... --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 07:43, 5 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		::But how would we do it? A template for Races and another for subraces? Or One template that has the main race first, followed by the subraces? I personally prefer the latter, but the former might be easier to sort. Although this page is an overview page, and the eventual list on the [[Cards]] page is going to be easier for sorting anyway, so... --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 11:43, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
	:::I don't exactly understand what you mean. Do you want to have races and subraces in the same table? What would the headers be? If you can create an example with a race and a sub-race in it I'll try to make a template out of it. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 07:51, 5 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		:::I don't exactly understand what you mean. Do you want to have races and subraces in the same table? What would the headers be? If you can create an example with a race and a sub-race in it I'll try to make a template out of it. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 11:51, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
	::::I create a [[Template:Card Sheet/Race\|template]] based on your class one to indicate what I mean. The first row would be the Main Race, the rows beneath those the subraces. I think it works, but the only thing I would change would be to color the first row differently, to indicate that it is the main race. Of course this is but a proposal, if you've got something else, feel free to share. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 08:09, 5 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		::::I create a [[Template:Card Sheet/Race\|template]] based on your class one to indicate what I mean. The first row would be the Main Race, the rows beneath those the subraces. I think it works, but the only thing I would change would be to color the first row differently, to indicate that it is the main race. Of course this is but a proposal, if you've got something else, feel free to share. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 12:09, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
	:::::That would work. The color for following rows can be changed. You would have a different table for each race right? I'll put in the style in the template because I don't think we can't change the css page. 08:13, 5 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		:::::That would work. The color for following rows can be changed. You would have a different table for each race right? I'll put in the style in the template because I don't think we can't change the css page. 12:13, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
	::::::Yeah, a different table for each race. The plan is to put all the races in a table and all the subraces in a table on the main [[Cards]] page anyway, so there they'll be together. But on the Races page I prefer an separation per race for clarity. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 08:45, 5 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		::::::Yeah, a different table for each race. The plan is to put all the races in a table and all the subraces in a table on the main [[Cards]] page anyway, so there they'll be together. But on the Races page I prefer an separation per race for clarity. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 12:45, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
	::::::Feel free to request Common.css changes in the Admin ToDo if you need it. I'll try to keep the classes generic so theyre reusable elsewhere. [[User:Plornt\|Plornt]] ([[User talk:Plornt\|talk]]) 08:50, 5 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		::::::Feel free to request Common.css changes in the Admin ToDo if you need it. I'll try to keep the classes generic so theyre reusable elsewhere. [[User:Plornt\|Plornt]] ([[User talk:Plornt\|talk]]) 12:50, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
	::::::Alright, all done! --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 10:45, 5 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		::::::Alright, all done! --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 14:45, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

	===Mobs===		===Mobs===
	*I personally think that creatures such as Blood Snakes, Sun Hounds, etc. don't belong on this page. I think this page is better suited to creatures that actually have Race Cards, so Kobolds and Porcs can stay for now, although we have yet to include their cards. Also, what happened to the Race Card Template that was on this page? I see no reasoning for its removal.--[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 04:01, 6 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		*I personally think that creatures such as Blood Snakes, Sun Hounds, etc. don't belong on this page. I think this page is better suited to creatures that actually have Race Cards, so Kobolds and Porcs can stay for now, although we have yet to include their cards. Also, what happened to the Race Card Template that was on this page? I see no reasoning for its removal.--[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 08:01, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

	*Yeah not sure what happened to the race template, but I vote for it back! Any other opinions? [[User:Pillowkeeper\|Pillowkeeper]] ([[User talk:Pillowkeeper\|talk]]) 09:23, 6 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		*Yeah not sure what happened to the race template, but I vote for it back! Any other opinions? [[User:Pillowkeeper\|Pillowkeeper]] ([[User talk:Pillowkeeper\|talk]]) 13:23, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
	:Agreed, if anyone can't give me a good reason for the change, I'll just revert it to its previous state and add Kobold and Porc to a 'Future Races' header or something. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 09:34, 6 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		:Agreed, if anyone can't give me a good reason for the change, I'll just revert it to its previous state and add Kobold and Porc to a 'Future Races' header or something. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 13:34, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

	*I've decided to add the reasoning here, copied from the user's talk page: --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 11:08, 6 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		*I've decided to add the reasoning here, copied from the user's talk page: --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 15:08, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
	: Basically showing the cards didn't actually add any new information, but it did take up a ton of room on the page and prevented us from adding information about races we don't have cards for. If we want to display those cards it makes more sense to do it on the actual page for the each race instead of the main page listing all the races together.		: Basically showing the cards didn't actually add any new information, but it did take up a ton of room on the page and prevented us from adding information about races we don't have cards for. If we want to display those cards it makes more sense to do it on the actual page for the each race instead of the main page listing all the races together.
	::I agree with that decision, and am going to add the templates to the individual race pages instead, as we do for the class pages now. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 11:08, 6 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		::I agree with that decision, and am going to add the templates to the individual race pages instead, as we do for the class pages now. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 15:08, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

	*I still don't agree that Sun Hounds, Blood Snakes, EagleBears, MonkeyFish, Gemlings, Skeletons and Mermaids are Races though. Those belong on the [[NPC's]] page, under Mobs, not here in my opinion. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 11:23, 6 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		*I still don't agree that Sun Hounds, Blood Snakes, EagleBears, MonkeyFish, Gemlings, Skeletons and Mermaids are Races though. Those belong on the [[NPC's]] page, under Mobs, not here in my opinion. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 15:23, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
	::Agreed. They are not ''races'' in the terms of the game. If they ever get the required background they can be added, but as of now they just appeared as creatures during a campaign. At least they should not have the same emphasis as the main races. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 07:44, 8 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		::Agreed. They are not ''races'' in the terms of the game. If they ever get the required background they can be added, but as of now they just appeared as creatures during a campaign. At least they should not have the same emphasis as the main races. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 11:44, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
	:::The problem with this is that Koblods were never intended to be a playable Race, or at least not yet, however they were made so, meaning theoretically any Mob is a possible playable Race, especially the ones that can talk. Skeletons and Mermaids could potentially become playable Races. Had Philhipe never become a playable character by Deadbones we'd be fine, however now we've established that the Players can play as Mobs under certain circumstances and those Mobs have their own unique abilities when being played just like other races. And to be completely honest mobs ARE races, most just aren't playble races yet, that's why they were under the NPC title on this page. --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 13:38, 10 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		:::The problem with this is that Koblods were never intended to be a playable Race, or at least not yet, however they were made so, meaning theoretically any Mob is a possible playable Race, especially the ones that can talk. Skeletons and Mermaids could potentially become playable Races. Had Philhipe never become a playable character by Deadbones we'd be fine, however now we've established that the Players can play as Mobs under certain circumstances and those Mobs have their own unique abilities when being played just like other races. And to be completely honest mobs ARE races, most just aren't playble races yet, that's why they were under the NPC title on this page. --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 17:38, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
	::::And here is another curve ball, I'm watching the VOD of Justin's Character creation stream and he, Roamin and DB revealed that its Pirate Themed week with the playable races as "Kobolds and Gnomes." I think we should just wait till friday to fix everything up with the Mobs vs. Races with the Kobolds, but I agree with you, Pete, just about any mob can be playable.--[[User:IronClark\|IronClark]] ([[User talk:IronClark\|talk]]) 13:43, 10 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		::::And here is another curve ball, I'm watching the VOD of Justin's Character creation stream and he, Roamin and DB revealed that its Pirate Themed week with the playable races as "Kobolds and Gnomes." I think we should just wait till friday to fix everything up with the Mobs vs. Races with the Kobolds, but I agree with you, Pete, just about any mob can be playable.--[[User:IronClark\|IronClark]] ([[User talk:IronClark\|talk]]) 17:43, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
	:::::I do think Kobolds were intended to be a playable race. I wouldn't know what the point of making cards for them is if the public will never see them. But since there are also cards for things like Slimes I could be wrong. Anyways for clarity I think we should just put races that are available at character creations as main races, or playable races whatever you want to call it. The rest of creatures/mobs/minor races could of course have their own section here or maybe put them on a seperate page. Putting it on the NPCs page does probably not make a lot of sense. I think that should just be for characters that aren't party members, not a listing of species. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 14:21, 10 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		:::::I do think Kobolds were intended to be a playable race. I wouldn't know what the point of making cards for them is if the public will never see them. But since there are also cards for things like Slimes I could be wrong. Anyways for clarity I think we should just put races that are available at character creations as main races, or playable races whatever you want to call it. The rest of creatures/mobs/minor races could of course have their own section here or maybe put them on a seperate page. Putting it on the NPCs page does probably not make a lot of sense. I think that should just be for characters that aren't party members, not a listing of species. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 18:21, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
	:::::: I agree. This is why things are a bit complicated. NPCs are supposed to be specific characters, heck that's what the "C" stands for, so having a list of races on that page doesn't actually make a lot of sense. What we had previously had is exactly what you're suggesting Skydivizer. We had the Playble Races available that at character selection at the top of the page and then there was a separate header underneath that for NPC races. I'm suggesting we just go back to that and if an NPC race becomes playble just move it up on the page instead of having to take it off a different page and add it to this one. --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 14:36, 10 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		:::::: I agree. This is why things are a bit complicated. NPCs are supposed to be specific characters, heck that's what the "C" stands for, so having a list of races on that page doesn't actually make a lot of sense. What we had previously had is exactly what you're suggesting Skydivizer. We had the Playble Races available that at character selection at the top of the page and then there was a separate header underneath that for NPC races. I'm suggesting we just go back to that and if an NPC race becomes playble just move it up on the page instead of having to take it off a different page and add it to this one. --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 18:36, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

	So, why can't this page simply be a page for all the species encountered in the world? That is a huge part of the game, and many people seem interested. There can be two pages, races and creatures, but a page on this tab that is specifically for every known life form would be much simpler. It also builds the world. --[[User:PureLemons\|PureLemons]] ([[User talk:PureLemons\|talk]]) 17:23, 20 June 2015		So, why can't this page simply be a page for all the species encountered in the world? That is a huge part of the game, and many people seem interested. There can be two pages, races and creatures, but a page on this tab that is specifically for every known life form would be much simpler. It also builds the world. --[[User:PureLemons\|PureLemons]] ([[User talk:PureLemons\|talk]]) 17:23, 20 June 2015

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