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	==Fan Art==
	Do we want to include or link to fan art of characters done by the community? Other fan art has been used on the wiki and I think having 2 or 3 of the character's would be nice.--[[User:5ilver42\|5ilver42]] ([[User talk:5ilver42\|talk]]) 22:12, 5 June 2015 (UTC)		Do we want to include or link to fan art of characters done by the community? Other fan art has been used on the wiki and I think having 2 or 3 of the character's would be nice.--[[User:5ilver42\|5ilver42]] ([[User talk:5ilver42\|talk]]) 22:12, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
	: We can have galleries for each character so we can showcase popular pieces of fan art and pictures of them from cutscenes. --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 02:45, 13 June 2015 (UTC)		: We can have galleries for each character so we can showcase popular pieces of fan art and pictures of them from cutscenes. --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 02:45, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
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	::::::Alright then, I've added a Gallery to the charbox so people can start posting fan art there. Here's [[Philhipé/Gallery]] as an example.--[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 08:14, 13 June 2015 (UTC)		::::::Alright then, I've added a Gallery to the charbox so people can start posting fan art there. Here's [[Philhipé/Gallery]] as an example.--[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 08:14, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

	==Name changes==		== Name changes ==
	On Coe's stream last night Rob and Coe were talking about changing the names of the characters from Nuren, should we do so as well? FYI around the 3 hour mark http://www.twitch.tv/coestar/v/5823073. [[User:Pillowkeeper\|Pillowkeeper]] ([[User talk:Pillowkeeper\|talk]]) 03:59, 6 June 2015 (UTC)		On Coe's stream last night Rob and Coe were talking about changing the names of the characters from Nuren, should we do so as well? FYI around the 3 hour mark http://www.twitch.tv/coestar/v/5823073. [[User:Pillowkeeper\|Pillowkeeper]] ([[User talk:Pillowkeeper\|talk]]) 03:59, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
	::You guys have done all the changes. In the future, I'll just comment the changes. [[User:Rob\|Rob]] ([[User talk:Rob\|talk]]) 06:00, 17 June 2015 (UTC)		::You guys have done all the changes. In the future, I'll just comment the changes. [[User:Rob\|Rob]] ([[User talk:Rob\|talk]]) 06:00, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

	==Layout==		== Layout ==
	We have several inconsitancies as to where headings and sub headings of character pages go. To be more specific with an example on [[Philhipé]] the History is a subsection of the Characteristics. While on [[Porbo]] History has it's own heading completely separate from Characteristics. We need to make sue everything stays the same across the board, which ever way it is done.--[[User:5ilver42\|5ilver42]] ([[User talk:5ilver42\|talk]]) 02:46, 7 June 2015 (UTC)		We have several inconsitancies as to where headings and sub headings of character pages go. To be more specific with an example on [[Philhipé]] the History is a subsection of the Characteristics. While on [[Porbo]] History has it's own heading completely separate from Characteristics. We need to make sue everything stays the same across the board, which ever way it is done.--[[User:5ilver42\|5ilver42]] ([[User talk:5ilver42\|talk]]) 02:46, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
	::I feel we should try working on this soon. Also I think we should get rid of listings of explanations of standard class abilities, those have a own page. I have made a quick outline of what I think should be the layout below. If anyone has objections, additions or just complete disagreement let me know. On a different note I also have no idea what the point of a table of appearances is for characters that only appear during one campaign so I left it out. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 13:50, 12 June 2015 (UTC)		::I feel we should try working on this soon. Also I think we should get rid of listings of explanations of standard class abilities, those have a own page. I have made a quick outline of what I think should be the layout below. If anyone has objections, additions or just complete disagreement let me know. On a different note I also have no idea what the point of a table of appearances is for characters that only appear during one campaign so I left it out. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 13:50, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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	[[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 13:50, 12 June 2015 (UTC)		[[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 13:50, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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	==Characteristics==		== Characteristics ==
	===Appearance===		== Appearance ==
	Description of what the character looks like		Description of what the character looks like
	===Personality===		== Personality ==
	How the character usually acts and behaves. Personal quirks and that kind of information.		How the character usually acts and behaves. Personal quirks and that kind of information.
	====Combat Behavior====		== Combat Behavior ==
	What a character does during combat. Does he try his hardest to defeat the enemies or does he handicap his allies? What kind of abilities does he use most often and how does he use them?		What a character does during combat. Does he try his hardest to defeat the enemies or does he handicap his allies? What kind of abilities does he use most often and how does he use them?
	===Relationships===		== Relationships ==
	Special relationships that are worth mentioning		Special relationships that are worth mentioning
	====Person A====		== Person A ==
	Describing the relationship character has with this other character. Why do they have this relationship? How did this relationship come to existance?		Describing the relationship character has with this other character. Why do they have this relationship? How did this relationship come to existance?
	===Notable Attributes?===		== Notable Attributes? ==
	====Traits & Abilities====		== Traits & Abilities ==
	A listing of talents that are established during the campaign or however. Not explanations of what class abilities do.		A listing of talents that are established during the campaign or however. Not explanations of what class abilities do.
	====Belongings====		== Belongings ==
	Stuff that a character possess that is not ordinary stuff.		Stuff that a character possess that is not ordinary stuff.

	==History==		== History ==
	===Background===		== Background ==
	Background lore that is established about a character.		Background lore that is established about a character.
	===Campaign A===		== Campaign A ==
	Summary of the character's actions/involvement during the campaign. (link to campaign#plot page)		Summary of the character's actions/involvement during the campaign. (link to campaign#plot page)
	===Fate===		== Fate ==
	What the character's current status is and how come.		What the character's current status is and how come.

	==Trivia==		== Trivia ==
	''Interesting'' stuff that doesn't have a place somewhere else.		''Interesting'' stuff that doesn't have a place somewhere else.

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	::Yeah I see your point. Still I think a short summary describing what a character did plus the link would be best. But for now just linking might be the most sensible thing to do. Also I didn't word it good enough so I changed that line in the suggestion. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 14:48, 12 June 2015 (UTC)		::Yeah I see your point. Still I think a short summary describing what a character did plus the link would be best. But for now just linking might be the most sensible thing to do. Also I didn't word it good enough so I changed that line in the suggestion. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 14:48, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

	==Categories==		== Categories ==
	I don't think it makes sense to have NPCs and Enemies be in separate categories because they can be both. It seems like right now the distinction is if they are in combat or not, which is awkward in some cases where they are an NPC in one campaign and a Enemy in another. I would just have them all under NPCs and include monsters and such as basically everything I control is a "Non Player Character" [[User:Rob\|Rob]] ([[User talk:Rob\|talk]]) 08:35, 10 June 2015 (UTC)		I don't think it makes sense to have NPCs and Enemies be in separate categories because they can be both. It seems like right now the distinction is if they are in combat or not, which is awkward in some cases where they are an NPC in one campaign and a Enemy in another. I would just have them all under NPCs and include monsters and such as basically everything I control is a "Non Player Character" [[User:Rob\|Rob]] ([[User talk:Rob\|talk]]) 08:35, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
	:We currently have an enemy header per campaign, Rob. As you can see, Dave is listed under Roamin's Band of Thieves under 'Enemy', and again under Porc Hunters' under 'NPCs'. So we list enemies as campaign-specific. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 08:46, 10 June 2015 (UTC)		:We currently have an enemy header per campaign, Rob. As you can see, Dave is listed under Roamin's Band of Thieves under 'Enemy', and again under Porc Hunters' under 'NPCs'. So we list enemies as campaign-specific. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 08:46, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
	::What I mean is you are making a distinction that doesn't need to be made. NPC and enemies are fundamentally the same thing, you're just decided what is what. I'm not sure you need to even list "Skeleton" on this page, because you just create a lot of extra pages to link too under characters. When people click characters, they want to see both the players and named NPC characters that have backstory, not just the general list of characters/races that were included. It will also be weird when you have a character in one campaign who is an enemy and in the next is an NPC. Right now the distinction is who was in battle which ends up almost being a list of combat encounters. I think it would be better to just make a completely separate "Encounters" page if you really wanted to have that. Like what are you going to do when I have them fight at a Zoo and they fight a big battle with 30 different enemies at once? List them all? I think you don't make a distinction between Enemy and NPC and put all "notable" NPCs, generally ones with names, in the NPC list. Basically characters that could be reoccuring. Then just remove "Goblins" "Porcs". If they aren't noteable to be listed under NPC, then they end up just being pages that get in the way of what people will be using the "characters" page for. For example, Whirlwind Brothers has their own character page when they have nothing notable about them other then you know they are Kobold and Brothers, but they aren't listed here. Yet Skeletons are? Eaglebear is on the list for some reason? There was an eaglebear in Roamin's Band of Thieves, but it's not listed because they don't fight it. I dunno just seems like two different things going on at once and detracts what the character page would be. You're already going to have indexing issues down the road with 4-8 noteable characters being created potentially each week just at character creation. [[User:Rob\|Rob]] ([[User talk:Rob\|talk]]) 06:00, 17 June 2015 (UTC)		::What I mean is you are making a distinction that doesn't need to be made. NPC and enemies are fundamentally the same thing, you're just decided what is what. I'm not sure you need to even list "Skeleton" on this page, because you just create a lot of extra pages to link too under characters. When people click characters, they want to see both the players and named NPC characters that have backstory, not just the general list of characters/races that were included. It will also be weird when you have a character in one campaign who is an enemy and in the next is an NPC. Right now the distinction is who was in battle which ends up almost being a list of combat encounters. I think it would be better to just make a completely separate "Encounters" page if you really wanted to have that. Like what are you going to do when I have them fight at a Zoo and they fight a big battle with 30 different enemies at once? List them all? I think you don't make a distinction between Enemy and NPC and put all "notable" NPCs, generally ones with names, in the NPC list. Basically characters that could be reoccuring. Then just remove "Goblins" "Porcs". If they aren't noteable to be listed under NPC, then they end up just being pages that get in the way of what people will be using the "characters" page for. For example, Whirlwind Brothers has their own character page when they have nothing notable about them other then you know they are Kobold and Brothers, but they aren't listed here. Yet Skeletons are? Eaglebear is on the list for some reason? There was an eaglebear in Roamin's Band of Thieves, but it's not listed because they don't fight it. I dunno just seems like two different things going on at once and detracts what the character page would be. You're already going to have indexing issues down the road with 4-8 noteable characters being created potentially each week just at character creation. [[User:Rob\|Rob]] ([[User talk:Rob\|talk]]) 06:00, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

	=== Stamina ===		== Stamina ==
	How should we display stamina? Currently we only display one number, their end stamina after they add armor and other stamina modifiers to their base stamina. However is their a way we can show their base stamina and their end stamina? --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 02:52, 13 June 2015 (UTC)		How should we display stamina? Currently we only display one number, their end stamina after they add armor and other stamina modifiers to their base stamina. However is their a way we can show their base stamina and their end stamina? --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 02:52, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
	:Maybe something like this: <br><span title="15 Base + 12 Bonus" class="help">25</span><br> Try hovering over it. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 07:54, 13 June 2015 (UTC)		:Maybe something like this: <br><span title="15 Base + 12 Bonus" class="help">25</span><br> Try hovering over it. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 07:54, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

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			==Fan Art==
			Do we want to include or link to fan art of characters done by the community? Other fan art has been used on the wiki and I think having 2 or 3 of the character's would be nice.--[[User:5ilver42\|5ilver42]] ([[User talk:5ilver42\|talk]]) 18:12, 5 June 2015 (EDT)
			: We can have galleries for each character so we can showcase popular pieces of fan art and pictures of them from cutscenes. --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 22:45, 12 June 2015 (EDT)
			::Can you have it on the Charbox that links to a Gallery like "Character/Gallery." Like comic book wikis? --'''[[User:IronClark\|Clark]] ([[User talk:IronClark\|Chitter Chat]]) 23:12, 12 June 2015 (EDT)
			:::Yes, I already have something similar on the Campbox. I just want to see what other people think. The mods have been deleting fan made cards but have left a few other fans arts alone. I wanna clear this with the mods and Plornt before I proceed so any fan art that gets uploaded doesn't get deleted. --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 23:47, 12 June 2015 (EDT)
			::::Personally I have not involved myself with any fan art handling. Although I don't mind fan art of canon material, I don't really see the point of having fan made cards here. I can't think of a page they are relevant to. As far as I am concerned I like high quality fan art more than the puppet pals image we get for characters. Fan art can contain much more detail. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 04:05, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
			:::::I completely agree. I like fan art of the characters because they are a so much more detailed representation of what the characters look like than the puppet pals. Fan made cards have no place here unless they are included in URL. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 04:09, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
			::::::Alright then, I've added a Gallery to the charbox so people can start posting fan art there. Here's [[Philhipé/Gallery]] as an example.--[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 04:14, 13 June 2015 (EDT)

			==Name changes==
			On Coe's stream last night Rob and Coe were talking about changing the names of the characters from Nuren, should we do so as well? FYI around the 3 hour mark http://www.twitch.tv/coestar/v/5823073. [[User:Pillowkeeper\|Pillowkeeper]] ([[User talk:Pillowkeeper\|talk]]) 23:59, 5 June 2015 (EDT)
			::You guys have done all the changes. In the future, I'll just comment the changes. [[User:Rob\|Rob]] ([[User talk:Rob\|talk]]) 02:00, 17 June 2015 (EDT)

			==Layout==
			We have several inconsitancies as to where headings and sub headings of character pages go. To be more specific with an example on [[Philhipé]] the History is a subsection of the Characteristics. While on [[Porbo]] History has it's own heading completely separate from Characteristics. We need to make sue everything stays the same across the board, which ever way it is done.--[[User:5ilver42\|5ilver42]] ([[User talk:5ilver42\|talk]]) 22:46, 6 June 2015 (EDT)
			::I feel we should try working on this soon. Also I think we should get rid of listings of explanations of standard class abilities, those have a own page. I have made a quick outline of what I think should be the layout below. If anyone has objections, additions or just complete disagreement let me know. On a different note I also have no idea what the point of a table of appearances is for characters that only appear during one campaign so I left it out. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 09:50, 12 June 2015 (EDT)
			===Layout suggestion===
			[[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 09:50, 12 June 2015 (EDT)
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			{{Charbox
			\|stuff
			}}

			Simple description

			__TOC__

			==Characteristics==
			===Appearance===
			Description of what the character looks like
			===Personality===
			How the character usually acts and behaves. Personal quirks and that kind of information.
			====Combat Behavior====
			What a character does during combat. Does he try his hardest to defeat the enemies or does he handicap his allies? What kind of abilities does he use most often and how does he use them?
			===Relationships===
			Special relationships that are worth mentioning
			====Person A====
			Describing the relationship character has with this other character. Why do they have this relationship? How did this relationship come to existance?
			===Notable Attributes?===
			====Traits & Abilities====
			A listing of talents that are established during the campaign or however. Not explanations of what class abilities do.
			====Belongings====
			Stuff that a character possess that is not ordinary stuff.

			==History==
			===Background===
			Background lore that is established about a character.
			===Campaign A===
			Summary of the character's actions/involvement during the campaign. (link to campaign#plot page)
			===Fate===
			What the character's current status is and how come.

			==Trivia==
			''Interesting'' stuff that doesn't have a place somewhere else.

			Categories
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			:I agree with this suggestion. It would clean up a lot of the pages we have now. For main characters however, the history of the campaign they starred in would perhaps better be a link to the campaign page as I've done for Elmar, Ca-Rell, DeNada and Templeton, since their history during that time is literally the campaign synopsis. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 10:13, 12 June 2015 (EDT)
			::Yeah I see your point. Still I think a short summary describing what a character did plus the link would be best. But for now just linking might be the most sensible thing to do. Also I didn't word it good enough so I changed that line in the suggestion. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 10:48, 12 June 2015 (EDT)

			==Categories==
			I don't think it makes sense to have NPCs and Enemies be in separate categories because they can be both. It seems like right now the distinction is if they are in combat or not, which is awkward in some cases where they are an NPC in one campaign and a Enemy in another. I would just have them all under NPCs and include monsters and such as basically everything I control is a "Non Player Character" [[User:Rob\|Rob]] ([[User talk:Rob\|talk]]) 04:35, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
			:We currently have an enemy header per campaign, Rob. As you can see, Dave is listed under Roamin's Band of Thieves under 'Enemy', and again under Porc Hunters' under 'NPCs'. So we list enemies as campaign-specific. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 04:46, 10 June 2015 (EDT)
			::What I mean is you are making a distinction that doesn't need to be made. NPC and enemies are fundamentally the same thing, you're just decided what is what. I'm not sure you need to even list "Skeleton" on this page, because you just create a lot of extra pages to link too under characters. When people click characters, they want to see both the players and named NPC characters that have backstory, not just the general list of characters/races that were included. It will also be weird when you have a character in one campaign who is an enemy and in the next is an NPC. Right now the distinction is who was in battle which ends up almost being a list of combat encounters. I think it would be better to just make a completely separate "Encounters" page if you really wanted to have that. Like what are you going to do when I have them fight at a Zoo and they fight a big battle with 30 different enemies at once? List them all? I think you don't make a distinction between Enemy and NPC and put all "notable" NPCs, generally ones with names, in the NPC list. Basically characters that could be reoccuring. Then just remove "Goblins" "Porcs". If they aren't noteable to be listed under NPC, then they end up just being pages that get in the way of what people will be using the "characters" page for. For example, Whirlwind Brothers has their own character page when they have nothing notable about them other then you know they are Kobold and Brothers, but they aren't listed here. Yet Skeletons are? Eaglebear is on the list for some reason? There was an eaglebear in Roamin's Band of Thieves, but it's not listed because they don't fight it. I dunno just seems like two different things going on at once and detracts what the character page would be. You're already going to have indexing issues down the road with 4-8 noteable characters being created potentially each week just at character creation. [[User:Rob\|Rob]] ([[User talk:Rob\|talk]]) 02:00, 17 June 2015 (EDT)

			=== Stamina ===
			How should we display stamina? Currently we only display one number, their end stamina after they add armor and other stamina modifiers to their base stamina. However is their a way we can show their base stamina and their end stamina? --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 22:52, 12 June 2015 (EDT)
			:Maybe something like this: <br><span title="15 Base + 12 Bonus" class="help">25</span><br> Try hovering over it. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 03:54, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
			:I think we should only display their base stamina (15+roll). As we have seen, armor can break, they can equip different armor if they get a Treasure Card in the game and different abilities (Frost Elemental) can lower max stamina, so I think there's no point in adding armor values onto stamina. Their max stamina change during the campaign anyway, and the armor is linked in the charbox as well, so I think only the base stamina (15+roll) should be there. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 08:47, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
			::Stamina is a resource that's going to change and because cards/base stamina will change in the future, you will fundamentally have a problem tracking it. You may want to not bother tracking it at all, as it will only get more complicated and messy going forward. [[User:Rob\|Rob]] ([[User talk:Rob\|talk]]) 02:01, 17 June 2015 (EDT)

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	==Fan Art==		==Fan Art==
	Do we want to include or link to fan art of characters done by the community? Other fan art has been used on the wiki and I think having 2 or 3 of the character's would be nice.--[[User:5ilver42\|5ilver42]] ([[User talk:5ilver42\|talk]]) 18:12, 5 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		Do we want to include or link to fan art of characters done by the community? Other fan art has been used on the wiki and I think having 2 or 3 of the character's would be nice.--[[User:5ilver42\|5ilver42]] ([[User talk:5ilver42\|talk]]) 22:12, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
	: We can have galleries for each character so we can showcase popular pieces of fan art and pictures of them from cutscenes. --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 22:45, 12 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		: We can have galleries for each character so we can showcase popular pieces of fan art and pictures of them from cutscenes. --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 02:45, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
	::Can you have it on the Charbox that links to a Gallery like "Character/Gallery." Like comic book wikis? --'''[[User:IronClark\|Clark]] ([[User talk:IronClark\|Chitter Chat]]) 23:12, 12 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		::Can you have it on the Charbox that links to a Gallery like "Character/Gallery." Like comic book wikis? --'''[[User:IronClark\|Clark]] ([[User talk:IronClark\|Chitter Chat]]) 03:12, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
	:::Yes, I already have something similar on the Campbox. I just want to see what other people think. The mods have been deleting fan made cards but have left a few other fans arts alone. I wanna clear this with the mods and Plornt before I proceed so any fan art that gets uploaded doesn't get deleted. --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 23:47, 12 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		:::Yes, I already have something similar on the Campbox. I just want to see what other people think. The mods have been deleting fan made cards but have left a few other fans arts alone. I wanna clear this with the mods and Plornt before I proceed so any fan art that gets uploaded doesn't get deleted. --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 03:47, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
	::::Personally I have not involved myself with any fan art handling. Although I don't mind fan art of canon material, I don't really see the point of having fan made cards here. I can't think of a page they are relevant to. As far as I am concerned I like high quality fan art more than the puppet pals image we get for characters. Fan art can contain much more detail. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 04:05, 13 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		::::Personally I have not involved myself with any fan art handling. Although I don't mind fan art of canon material, I don't really see the point of having fan made cards here. I can't think of a page they are relevant to. As far as I am concerned I like high quality fan art more than the puppet pals image we get for characters. Fan art can contain much more detail. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 08:05, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
	:::::I completely agree. I like fan art of the characters because they are a so much more detailed representation of what the characters look like than the puppet pals. Fan made cards have no place here unless they are included in URL. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 04:09, 13 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		:::::I completely agree. I like fan art of the characters because they are a so much more detailed representation of what the characters look like than the puppet pals. Fan made cards have no place here unless they are included in URL. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 08:09, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
	::::::Alright then, I've added a Gallery to the charbox so people can start posting fan art there. Here's [[Philhipé/Gallery]] as an example.--[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 04:14, 13 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		::::::Alright then, I've added a Gallery to the charbox so people can start posting fan art there. Here's [[Philhipé/Gallery]] as an example.--[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 08:14, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

	==Name changes==		==Name changes==
	On Coe's stream last night Rob and Coe were talking about changing the names of the characters from Nuren, should we do so as well? FYI around the 3 hour mark http://www.twitch.tv/coestar/v/5823073. [[User:Pillowkeeper\|Pillowkeeper]] ([[User talk:Pillowkeeper\|talk]]) 23:59, 5 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		On Coe's stream last night Rob and Coe were talking about changing the names of the characters from Nuren, should we do so as well? FYI around the 3 hour mark http://www.twitch.tv/coestar/v/5823073. [[User:Pillowkeeper\|Pillowkeeper]] ([[User talk:Pillowkeeper\|talk]]) 03:59, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
	::You guys have done all the changes. In the future, I'll just comment the changes. [[User:Rob\|Rob]] ([[User talk:Rob\|talk]]) 02:00, 17 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		::You guys have done all the changes. In the future, I'll just comment the changes. [[User:Rob\|Rob]] ([[User talk:Rob\|talk]]) 06:00, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

	==Layout==		==Layout==
	We have several inconsitancies as to where headings and sub headings of character pages go. To be more specific with an example on [[Philhipé]] the History is a subsection of the Characteristics. While on [[Porbo]] History has it's own heading completely separate from Characteristics. We need to make sue everything stays the same across the board, which ever way it is done.--[[User:5ilver42\|5ilver42]] ([[User talk:5ilver42\|talk]]) 22:46, 6 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		We have several inconsitancies as to where headings and sub headings of character pages go. To be more specific with an example on [[Philhipé]] the History is a subsection of the Characteristics. While on [[Porbo]] History has it's own heading completely separate from Characteristics. We need to make sue everything stays the same across the board, which ever way it is done.--[[User:5ilver42\|5ilver42]] ([[User talk:5ilver42\|talk]]) 02:46, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
	::I feel we should try working on this soon. Also I think we should get rid of listings of explanations of standard class abilities, those have a own page. I have made a quick outline of what I think should be the layout below. If anyone has objections, additions or just complete disagreement let me know. On a different note I also have no idea what the point of a table of appearances is for characters that only appear during one campaign so I left it out. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 09:50, 12 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		::I feel we should try working on this soon. Also I think we should get rid of listings of explanations of standard class abilities, those have a own page. I have made a quick outline of what I think should be the layout below. If anyone has objections, additions or just complete disagreement let me know. On a different note I also have no idea what the point of a table of appearances is for characters that only appear during one campaign so I left it out. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 13:50, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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	:I agree with this suggestion. It would clean up a lot of the pages we have now. For main characters however, the history of the campaign they starred in would perhaps better be a link to the campaign page as I've done for Elmar, Ca-Rell, DeNada and Templeton, since their history during that time is literally the campaign synopsis. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 10:13, 12 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		:I agree with this suggestion. It would clean up a lot of the pages we have now. For main characters however, the history of the campaign they starred in would perhaps better be a link to the campaign page as I've done for Elmar, Ca-Rell, DeNada and Templeton, since their history during that time is literally the campaign synopsis. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 14:13, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
	::Yeah I see your point. Still I think a short summary describing what a character did plus the link would be best. But for now just linking might be the most sensible thing to do. Also I didn't word it good enough so I changed that line in the suggestion. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 10:48, 12 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		::Yeah I see your point. Still I think a short summary describing what a character did plus the link would be best. But for now just linking might be the most sensible thing to do. Also I didn't word it good enough so I changed that line in the suggestion. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 14:48, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

	==Categories==		==Categories==
	I don't think it makes sense to have NPCs and Enemies be in separate categories because they can be both. It seems like right now the distinction is if they are in combat or not, which is awkward in some cases where they are an NPC in one campaign and a Enemy in another. I would just have them all under NPCs and include monsters and such as basically everything I control is a "Non Player Character" [[User:Rob\|Rob]] ([[User talk:Rob\|talk]]) 04:35, 10 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		I don't think it makes sense to have NPCs and Enemies be in separate categories because they can be both. It seems like right now the distinction is if they are in combat or not, which is awkward in some cases where they are an NPC in one campaign and a Enemy in another. I would just have them all under NPCs and include monsters and such as basically everything I control is a "Non Player Character" [[User:Rob\|Rob]] ([[User talk:Rob\|talk]]) 08:35, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
	:We currently have an enemy header per campaign, Rob. As you can see, Dave is listed under Roamin's Band of Thieves under 'Enemy', and again under Porc Hunters' under 'NPCs'. So we list enemies as campaign-specific. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 04:46, 10 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		:We currently have an enemy header per campaign, Rob. As you can see, Dave is listed under Roamin's Band of Thieves under 'Enemy', and again under Porc Hunters' under 'NPCs'. So we list enemies as campaign-specific. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 08:46, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
	::What I mean is you are making a distinction that doesn't need to be made. NPC and enemies are fundamentally the same thing, you're just decided what is what. I'm not sure you need to even list "Skeleton" on this page, because you just create a lot of extra pages to link too under characters. When people click characters, they want to see both the players and named NPC characters that have backstory, not just the general list of characters/races that were included. It will also be weird when you have a character in one campaign who is an enemy and in the next is an NPC. Right now the distinction is who was in battle which ends up almost being a list of combat encounters. I think it would be better to just make a completely separate "Encounters" page if you really wanted to have that. Like what are you going to do when I have them fight at a Zoo and they fight a big battle with 30 different enemies at once? List them all? I think you don't make a distinction between Enemy and NPC and put all "notable" NPCs, generally ones with names, in the NPC list. Basically characters that could be reoccuring. Then just remove "Goblins" "Porcs". If they aren't noteable to be listed under NPC, then they end up just being pages that get in the way of what people will be using the "characters" page for. For example, Whirlwind Brothers has their own character page when they have nothing notable about them other then you know they are Kobold and Brothers, but they aren't listed here. Yet Skeletons are? Eaglebear is on the list for some reason? There was an eaglebear in Roamin's Band of Thieves, but it's not listed because they don't fight it. I dunno just seems like two different things going on at once and detracts what the character page would be. You're already going to have indexing issues down the road with 4-8 noteable characters being created potentially each week just at character creation. [[User:Rob\|Rob]] ([[User talk:Rob\|talk]]) 02:00, 17 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		::What I mean is you are making a distinction that doesn't need to be made. NPC and enemies are fundamentally the same thing, you're just decided what is what. I'm not sure you need to even list "Skeleton" on this page, because you just create a lot of extra pages to link too under characters. When people click characters, they want to see both the players and named NPC characters that have backstory, not just the general list of characters/races that were included. It will also be weird when you have a character in one campaign who is an enemy and in the next is an NPC. Right now the distinction is who was in battle which ends up almost being a list of combat encounters. I think it would be better to just make a completely separate "Encounters" page if you really wanted to have that. Like what are you going to do when I have them fight at a Zoo and they fight a big battle with 30 different enemies at once? List them all? I think you don't make a distinction between Enemy and NPC and put all "notable" NPCs, generally ones with names, in the NPC list. Basically characters that could be reoccuring. Then just remove "Goblins" "Porcs". If they aren't noteable to be listed under NPC, then they end up just being pages that get in the way of what people will be using the "characters" page for. For example, Whirlwind Brothers has their own character page when they have nothing notable about them other then you know they are Kobold and Brothers, but they aren't listed here. Yet Skeletons are? Eaglebear is on the list for some reason? There was an eaglebear in Roamin's Band of Thieves, but it's not listed because they don't fight it. I dunno just seems like two different things going on at once and detracts what the character page would be. You're already going to have indexing issues down the road with 4-8 noteable characters being created potentially each week just at character creation. [[User:Rob\|Rob]] ([[User talk:Rob\|talk]]) 06:00, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

	=== Stamina ===		=== Stamina ===
	How should we display stamina? Currently we only display one number, their end stamina after they add armor and other stamina modifiers to their base stamina. However is their a way we can show their base stamina and their end stamina? --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 22:52, 12 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		How should we display stamina? Currently we only display one number, their end stamina after they add armor and other stamina modifiers to their base stamina. However is their a way we can show their base stamina and their end stamina? --[[User:Petertwnsnd\|Petertwnsnd]] ([[User talk:Petertwnsnd\|talk]]) 02:52, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
	:Maybe something like this: <br><span title="15 Base + 12 Bonus" class="help">25</span><br> Try hovering over it. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 03:54, 13 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		:Maybe something like this: <br><span title="15 Base + 12 Bonus" class="help">25</span><br> Try hovering over it. [[User:Skydivizer\|Skydivizer]] ([[User talk:Skydivizer\|talk]]) 07:54, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
	:I think we should only display their base stamina (15+roll). As we have seen, armor can break, they can equip different armor if they get a Treasure Card in the game and different abilities (Frost Elemental) can lower max stamina, so I think there's no point in adding armor values onto stamina. Their max stamina change during the campaign anyway, and the armor is linked in the charbox as well, so I think only the base stamina (15+roll) should be there. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 08:47, 13 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		:I think we should only display their base stamina (15+roll). As we have seen, armor can break, they can equip different armor if they get a Treasure Card in the game and different abilities (Frost Elemental) can lower max stamina, so I think there's no point in adding armor values onto stamina. Their max stamina change during the campaign anyway, and the armor is linked in the charbox as well, so I think only the base stamina (15+roll) should be there. --[[User:Razorhead\|Razorhead]] ([[User talk:Razorhead\|talk]]) 12:47, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
	::Stamina is a resource that's going to change and because cards/base stamina will change in the future, you will fundamentally have a problem tracking it. You may want to not bother tracking it at all, as it will only get more complicated and messy going forward. [[User:Rob\|Rob]] ([[User talk:Rob\|talk]]) 02:01, 17 June 2015 (~~EDT~~)		::Stamina is a resource that's going to change and because cards/base stamina will change in the future, you will fundamentally have a problem tracking it. You may want to not bother tracking it at all, as it will only get more complicated and messy going forward. [[User:Rob\|Rob]] ([[User talk:Rob\|talk]]) 06:01, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

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