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'''The Timeline''' of Unforgotten Realms Live is currently being constructed.

==Canon Confirmed Timeline==
1.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Porc Hunters]]
# [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]]
# [[The New Crew]]

2.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Porc Hunters]]
# [[Murder Bros]]
# [[The Silvermine Mountains]]
# [[Woodcarvers]]

3.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Kobold Headhunters]]

4.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]
# [[Unexpected Discovery]]

5.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[The Blood Snake Queen]]
# [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]]

6.
# [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]]
# [[Murder Bros]]

7.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Battle of the Bards]]

8.
# [[The Cobblers]]
# [[The Death of Virgo]]

9.
# [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]]
# [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]
# [[Unexpected Discovery]]

==Reasons why these Timelines are Canon==
'''IMPORTANT: There is currently no evidence that [[The Unseen Rogues]] and [[Kobold Headhunters]] occur at the same time. See the theories for more information.'''

1.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Phineas]] has yet to join [[List_of_Organizations#Theta Squad|Theta Squad]] or become a master [[Cabalist]]. He is still in training and knows no Cabalist skills. In [[Porc Hunters]], Phineas has become all of this and joins Theta Squad. This confirms that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters. The time between the two campaigns is likely only a few months or years as Phineas is a prepubescent child in both and in Sunswords he has already been referred to as a young adult so he is likely around 10 to 12 in human years.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Jakelad]] is still alive and seen working on the song "[[Fuck the Kobolds]]". In [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], he sings "Fuck the Kobolds" frequently until the point of his death. This confirms that Sunswords predates The Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# In [[The New Crew]], [[Kinney Boots]] leaves the crew, [[Jo Krysstal]] is killed, and most of the remaining crew (including [[Merci|Captain Merci]] and [[McCoy|first mate McCoy]]) are sent to the [[Silvermine Mountains]]. McCoy also starts The New Crew with his tentacle arm. Because of this, we know that The New Crew takes place after The Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# In [[The New Crew]], [[Phineas]] joins the crew. This time, he has his Cabalist powers and has begun to go insane from repeatedly using [[Cabalist#Blanket of Darkness|Blanket of Darkness]] on himself. Because of this, we know that The New Crew must take place after [[Porc Hunters]]. As a result of this, we also know that [[Ca-Rell]] must have had [[Lieutenant Surge]] before [[Kinney Boots]] acquired it. Because of this, we know that Porc Hunters also predates Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# While [[McCoy]] and [[Phineas]] pillage [[Laeyuleaugh]], Phineas points out that [[Pot Puppies]] only live a year before reverting to seeds. McCoy admits that [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Cooper|Cooper]] is on his last legs, but asserts he's still fit as ever. Based on this information, we can assume that [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]] takes place approximately 1 year before [[The New Crew]].
2.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Phineas]] has yet to join [[List_of_Organizations#Theta Squad|Theta Squad]] or become a master [[Cabalist]]. He is still in training and knows no Cabalist skills. In [[Porc Hunters]], Phineas has become all of this and joins Theta Squad. This confirms that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters. The time between the two campaigns is likely only a few months or years as Phineas is a prepubescent child in both and in Sunswords he has already been referred to as a young adult so he is likely around 10 to 12 in human years.
# In [[Murder Bros]], [[Dave]] is killed while taking [[Chimera]] to the [[Silvermine Mountains]], placing the campaign after his appearance in [[Porc Hunters]] and before the destruction of the Silvermine Mountains in [[The Silvermine Mountains]].
# In [[Woodcarvers]], [[Gwyneth Sunsword]] and [[Kallark]] appear to the Woodcarvers, telling them that they have been following the trail of [[Golestandt]] for two days, fighting the mindless [[Ageless]] creatures that it has been creating. We therefore know that Woodcarvers takes place after [[The Silvermine Mountains]].
3.
# [[Kobold Headhunters]] is set after [[The Sunswords]] and because [[Burrito]] is seen referring to Jakelad's Kobold song (which he created in The Sunswords) as a "classic".
4.
# In [[The Zarlin Catacombs]], [[Sergio Fabioso]] had a copy of the famous [[Boyfriend Quest]], which he gave to [[Morgana Marie]]. Boyfriend Quest was being written in [[Sunswords]] by the Elf [[Dave]]. Because of this, it is canon that Sunswords comes before The Zarlin Catacombs.
# In [[Unexpected Discovery]], a Kobold Bromas appears, who is starting to accept his change into a Kobold Bromas also met his fate in this campaign. Bromas was changed into a Kobold in [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]. With this in mind, we know that [[Unexpected Discovery]] takes place after [[The Sunswords]], [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]], and [[The Zarlin Catacombs]].
5.
# In [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]], multiple characters reference [[Dave]]'s book, [[Boyfriend Quest]]. As it was still being written in [[The Sunswords]], Okagnoma Guild Hall must come after that.
# In [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]], a few moments after the group of students teleport into the cave, the mercenary group from [[The Blood Snake Queen]] commences their tower manoeuvre, ultimately failing before they retreat. With this information, we know that the third encounter of Okagnoma Guild Hall happens during the final encounter of The Blood Snake Queen.
6.
# In [[Murder Bros]], [[Dave]] is killed, placing the campaign after his appearance in [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]].
7.
# In [[Battle of the Bards]], while the [[List of Organizations#The Future Winners||Future Winners]] are battling Marcel the Mime, Vanessa starts singing the "Fuck the Kobolds" song that [[Jakelad]] created in [[Sunswords]] with the help of [[Kallark]]. With this information, we now know that Battle of the Bards is after Sunswords.
8.
# In [[The Cobblers]], [[Reginald Barringster III]] has his mind made blank by [[Borris Cobbler]], allowing for him to become twisted by [[Flesh Monstrosity#The Cobblers|Legion]] to eventually betray [[Virgo Sunsword]] and his comrades during [[The Death of Virgo]].
9.
# In [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]] campaign, we see [[Morgana Marie]] talking to an Elf named J.J. about various artifacts, and eventually they start talking about The Zarlin Catacombs. J.J. then tells Morgana that some Paladins are going into the Catacombs to search through it. Morgana managed to convince J.J. with a bag of gold that she is apart of said Paladin group as a tourist.
# In [[Unexpected Discovery]], a Kobold Bromas appears, who is starting to accept his change into a Kobold Bromas also met his fate in this campaign. Bromas was changed into a Kobold in [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]. With this in mind, we know that [[Unexpected Discovery]] takes place after [[The Sunswords]], [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]], and [[The Zarlin Catacombs]].

==Theories==

=== Theory for Sunswords to be before Band of Thieves ===
[[Gwyneth Sunsword]] mentions whilst she has a baby her desire to go and spend some time with some [[Sun Cleric]]s. She, however, loses the baby, so likely did not do this straight after [[Sunswords]]. Gwyneth does do this at some point, however, whether it be before or after Sunswords, and among them she spends time with [[Dave]]. Also in Sunswords and Roamin's Band of Thieves, Dave is not a captain, but in Porc Hunters he is. Promotion maybe, but also possibly a demotion so it does not prove anything.

=== Theory for Band of Thieves to be after Porc Hunters ===
The time space between [[Sunswords]] and [[Porc Hunters]] has been proven to be very short, perhaps at most a couple a years. In this time Gwyneth would have to have a reason (ie. injury or baby) to leave the Sunswords and go live with some Sun Clerics. [[Dave]] would also have to have a reason for why he should leave and go with her. It is possible that then Dave left the Sunswords with Gwyneth and went to live with Sun Clerics as Gwyneth broke up with [[Xavius]] and started going out with [[Dave]] as Gwyneth said in Sunswords that Dave would be her next boyfirend so there is a possible relationship there. It is possible, therefore, that Gwyneth is dating Dave in Porc Hunters (whilst they are both part of the Sunswords taking prisoners to the [[Silver Mine Mountains]]), which would explain why [[Ca-Rell]] asked Dave how Gwyneth is. Dave and Gwyneth were dating the party was split at the time with Gwyneth leading one expedition and Gwyneth's number two who would obviously be Dave when you consider how she treats [[Kallark]] in Sunswords leading another. Dave then gets Gwyneth pregnant and they leave the Sunswords to go to live with some Sun Clerics. During [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]] Gwyneth is pregnant with Dave's child and then afterwards she gives birth. This would mean that Roamin's Band of Thieves happens a non-specific time after Porc Hunters.

=== Theory for Porc Hunters to be after Band of Thieves ===

==== Theory 1 ''- Note: non-canon'' ====
It is commonly believed that [[Porc Hunters]] happened after [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]], due to the elf, [[Dave]] being present during both campaigns and stating about a "band of thieves connected to the prisoner Kobold" event happening to [[Gwyneth Sunsword|Gwyneth Sunsword's]] Sunblades. However the prisoner kobold was [[Chimera]], not [[Philhipé]] nor was it stated that the thieves where gnomes and a dwarf. It should be noted that it was also said that the thieves were conected to the Kobold in the prison wagon (ie Chimera) however there is no evidence that Roamin's band of thieves ever met or had even heard of Chimera.

''It was later revealed that Chimera was connected to the [[Murder Bros]], making the connection to [[Yumi|Yumi's]] [[Band of Thieves]] entirely non-canon.''

==== Theory 2 ====
Another theory states that since Dave is not a captain in either Sunswords or Band of Thieves, but is a captain in Porc Hunters, and since it is already known that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters due to Phineas joining Theta Squad at the end of Porc Hunters, then (using Occam's Razor) it is most likely that Dave was promoted/demoted to Captain after both Sunswords and Band of Thieves, rather than promoted and then suddenly demoted (or vice versa). Thus, Roamin's Band of Thieves most likely predates Porc Hunters.

==== Theory 3 ====
It's very likely that [[Murder Bros]] happens a very short time after [[Porc Hunters]], because [[Dave]] is leading [[Chimera]] to [[Silvermine_Mountains_(Location)|the Silvermine Mountains]] in both, and dies in Murder Bros. Because of the short amount of time between Porc Hunters and Dave's death, it's highly unlikely that Roamin's Band of Thieves, which features Dave, happens between the two campaigns, and it is much more likely that it happens some time before Porc Hunters.

=== Theories explaining how Kinney Boots acquired Lieutenant Surge from Ca-Rell===

==== Theory 1 ====
[[Kinney Boots]] stole from, or killed, [[Ca-Rell]] to obtain the enchanted mace.

==== Theory 2 ====
[[Merci]] is actually [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Porco|Porco]] from [[Ca-Rell|Ca-Rell's]] cave of Porcs and that Porco, after being named, began to grow in pride. He educated himself and eventually betrayed Ca-Rell, greedy for power and stole Lieutenant Surge. He left the cave and renamed himself Merci. He then went on to seek his fortune as a pirate captain. After Kinney joins the crew and Porco, now Merci, starts using an anchor as a weapon Merci gives Kinney Lieutenant Surge as a gift since they are dating (thought because Merci was in his cabin for 13 days and Kinney's coat was also in Merci's cabin). This would mean that The Jewel of the Dingo Isles occurs many years after Porc Hunters.

This theory is currently very unlikely because of [[Phineas Barringster|Phineas]] appearing as a young child in both [[Porc Hunters]] and [[The New Crew]], which means that the time between these campaigns is likely not more than a few years.

==== Theory 3 ====

In the card description for the [[Treasures#Bewitching_Mirror|Bewitching Mirror]], it says that if the mirror is destroyed, the person trapped in it is released. If the mirror broke at the end of [[Porc Hunters]], then [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Porco|Porco]] could have escaped from the mirror and killed [[Ca-Rell]], explaining how the mace left Ca-Rell's possession. At some point after this, [[Kinney Boots]] found and/or stole the mace, thus why she owned it in [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]].

===Theories Regarding Kobold Headhunters===

==== Theory 1 ====
The first encounter of [[Kobold Headhunters]] is set during the final encounter of [[The Unseen Rogues]] because [[Neena]] appears out of [[Romulus|Romulus']] [[Vampire Locket]] and is required to clean her [[Nobleborn Knife]] before leaving use it to finish the final encounter in [[The Unseen Rogues]]. This is unconfirmed because it is unclear how the [[Vampire Locket]] works.

==== Theory 2 ====
[[Kobold Headhunters]] takes place years after [[The Unseen Rogues]], because [[Romulus]] mentions that his ancestor (which he never decides on the number of "great"s for) was killed by someone, and the killing is not implied to have been very recent. In The Unseen Rogues, he comes out of the [[Vampire Locket]] and tries to take revenge on [[Omally]], the person who supposedly killed his ancestor. Omally specifically mentions that the kobold attacking him is supposed to be dead, likely referring to Romulus's ancestor. However, it is unlikely that Omally would mistake an old man kobold for a different adult Kobold aside from a passing family resemblance, leading to the possibility that Romulus comes from some point in the future.

==== Theory 3 ====
''Note: this is not technically a theory, but it has been thought to make the events of The Silvermine Mountains and Kobold Headhunters have a canonical order in past, so it should be kept to explain why it doesn't.''

During [[The Silvermine Mountains]] campaign [[Gwyneth Sunsword]] discusses with the other elves how they are the superior race. She mentions that elves have the responsibility to look after the lesser races for the lesser races' own good. As an example of this she mentions in passing how they looked after the inhabitants of [[Karazzim]]. This means they either the elves have done something in the town of Karazzim at some point, but this does not necessarily put [[Kobold Headhunters]] before or after [[The Silvermine Mountains]]. It is thought that the elves may have either established the town, or came in after the town was established and influenced it somehow.

===Theory that New Crew is before Band of Thieves===

==== Theory 1 ====
In [[The New Crew]], [[Ladyir]] simply finds the key within a desk, virtually unguarded. It could be that after [[Merci|Merci's]] crew failed to retrieve the key for [[Nisovin]], the Elves realized that the keys were important for some reason. They then entrusted [[Gwyneth]] to wear the key around her neck at all times while they researched what the key was used for. Nisovin, seeing that an outright assault on the elves failed to get the key, hires [[Yumi]] to take it by stealth.

''This is rather unlikely, since [[Porc Hunters]] and [[Murder Bros]] both happen within a short time of each other, with [[Dave]] leading [[Chimera]] to the [[Silvermine_Mountains_(Location)|Silvermine Mountains]] in both campaigns and dying in the second. Porc Hunters happens before [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], and [[The New Crew]] happens a full year after The Jewel of the Dingo Isles, meaning that if [[Band of Thieves]] happened after The New Crew, it would likely happen over a year after Dave's death in Murder Bros, and thus would create a paradox.''

==== Theory 2 ====
Rob mentioned in The New Crew behind the scenes video that there are multiple keys. So it could be that the keys within these two campaigns are different ones entirely.

===Theory that Band of Thieves is before New Crew ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]], [[Nisovin]] has to be pressed for him to reveal what the key looks like. He eventually describes it as orange and glowing but when it seems like the thieves might try to trick him, he immediately warns "Don't just cover a key with tang and bring it back to me!". In [[The New Crew]] when Nisovin gives [[Merci]] the mission, he describes the key as "tang colored". It could be reasoned that Nisovin only thought about it being "tang colored" after his original warning to the thieves. This may also be the reason why [[Fenrus]] was weaker in New Crew then in Band of Thieves, because he was still recovering from the previous battle.

==== Theory 2 ====
Nisovin hired [[Yumi]] and her band of Thieves to sneak into the Temple of the Fallen Sun and steal the key originally. However, when they failed the key was moved to a more secure location on the remote island of [[Laeyuleaugh]] where the Sunswords had a summer home. With the key only reachable by sea, Nisovin then hired the crew of the [[Bocoe]], who had, in [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], already proven themselves before to him, to try to steal the key once more.

=== Theory that Unseen Rogues is before Band of Thieves ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In Unseen Rogues when [[Neena Brando]] uses [[Puppeteer#Lascene|Lascene]], [[Squinks]] gets a copy from his [[Treasures#Spellwall_Armor | Spellwall Armor]]. Then, in Roamin's Band of Thieves, Squinks gives his spellwall armour to [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Nessie|Nessie]] in order to cross the bridge. Note that this is very weak evidence, as Squinks could easily have gotten another spellwall armour after giving his old one to Nessie.

==== Theory 2 - ''Note: non-canon'' ====
There was a possibility that [[K4]] would appear in Unseen Rogues instead of [[Squinks]], as any of the four player characters from Roamin's Band of Thieves could have appeared. Since we know that K4 went to live with the monkey fish king after RBoT we can safely assume that RBoT occurs after Unseen Rogues, however this is not true. K4 could easily have left the monkey fish king to join a band of thieves.

=== Theory that Band of Thieves is before Unseen Rogues ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In [[Band of Thieves]], [[Squinks]] starts showing contempt for [[Yumi]], since all of Yumi's plans are the same. He ends up betraying the party, and only rejoins [[Yumi]] while escaping the Sunsword Village. It's unlikely the two would stay together for very long, so it's possible that Squinks left Yumi's band of thieves and ended up in the band of thieves fought in [[The Unseen Rogues]].

===Theory that Guild of Explorers is before Battle of the Bards===
During [[List of Organizations|The Future Winner's]] first round of performances at [[Battle of the Bards]] competition, while against Marcel the Mime [[Vanessa Squishwitz]], thanks to the help of [[Popo]] and [[Gear Man]] was covered in a sprinkle of fire and ice. [[Rob]], in an out of character sense, asked if [[Patrick Cake]] from [[Guild of Explorers]] was present in the audience. Rob then rolled, and got an 18. [[Deadbones]] then stated that a Gnome started screaming, implying that Patrick was in the crowd, but didn't explain any further. If that gnome was Patrick, this would be a PTSD attack of his. If he was present in the crowd, Guild of Explorers would be before Battle of the Bards.

== Possible Extended Timeline ==
Rob formerly confirmed in a tweet [https://twitter.com/urealms/status/557383763530088448] that UR Live takes place after Lords of Minecraft, and will be followed by Unforgotten Quest, and Dwarves vs. Zombies will be the apocalyptic end of the timeline. However, a more recent Reddit comment said URLive, DvZ, and LoM take place in separate universes.

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Timeline

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{{Spoilers}}
'''The Timeline''' of Unforgotten Realms Live is currently being constructed.

==Canon Confirmed Timeline==
1.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Porc Hunters]]
# [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]]
# [[The New Crew]]

2.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Porc Hunters]]
# [[Murder Bros]]
# [[The Silvermine Mountains]]
# [[Woodcarvers]]

3.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Kobold Headhunters]]

4.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]
# [[Unexpected Discovery]]

5.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[The Blood Snake Queen]]
# [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]]

6.
# [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]]
# [[Murder Bros]]

7.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Battle of the Bards]]

8.
# [[The Cobblers]]
# [[The Death of Virgo]]

9.
# [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]]
# [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]
# [[Unexpected Discovery]]

==Reasons why these Timelines are Canon==
'''IMPORTANT: There is currently no evidence that [[The Unseen Rogues]] and [[Kobold Headhunters]] occur at the same time. See the theories for more information.'''

1.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Phineas]] has yet to join [[List_of_Organizations#Theta Squad|Theta Squad]] or become a master [[Cabalist]]. He is still in training and knows no Cabalist skills. In [[Porc Hunters]], Phineas has become all of this and joins Theta Squad. This confirms that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters. The time between the two campaigns is likely only a few months or years as Phineas is a prepubescent child in both and in Sunswords he has already been referred to as a young adult so he is likely around 10 to 12 in human years.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Jakelad]] is still alive and seen working on the song "[[Fuck the Kobolds]]". In [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], he sings "Fuck the Kobolds" frequently until the point of his death. This confirms that Sunswords predates The Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# In [[The New Crew]], [[Kinney Boots]] leaves the crew, [[Jo Krysstal]] is killed, and most of the remaining crew (including [[Merci|Captain Merci]] and [[McCoy|first mate McCoy]]) are sent to the [[Silvermine Mountains]]. McCoy also starts The New Crew with his tentacle arm. Because of this, we know that The New Crew takes place after The Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# In [[The New Crew]], [[Phineas]] joins the crew. This time, he has his Cabalist powers and has begun to go insane from repeatedly using [[Cabalist#Blanket of Darkness|Blanket of Darkness]] on himself. Because of this, we know that The New Crew must take place after [[Porc Hunters]]. As a result of this, we also know that [[Ca-Rell]] must have had [[Lieutenant Surge]] before [[Kinney Boots]] acquired it. Because of this, we know that Porc Hunters also predates Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# While [[McCoy]] and [[Phineas]] pillage [[Laeyuleaugh]], Phineas points out that [[Pot Puppies]] only live a year before reverting to seeds. McCoy admits that [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Cooper|Cooper]] is on his last legs, but asserts he's still fit as ever. Based on this information, we can assume that [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]] takes place approximately 1 year before [[The New Crew]].
2.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Phineas]] has yet to join [[List_of_Organizations#Theta Squad|Theta Squad]] or become a master [[Cabalist]]. He is still in training and knows no Cabalist skills. In [[Porc Hunters]], Phineas has become all of this and joins Theta Squad. This confirms that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters. The time between the two campaigns is likely only a few months or years as Phineas is a prepubescent child in both and in Sunswords he has already been referred to as a young adult so he is likely around 10 to 12 in human years.
# In [[Murder Bros]], [[Dave]] is killed while taking [[Chimera]] to the [[Silvermine Mountains]], placing the campaign after his appearance in [[Porc Hunters]] and before the destruction of the Silvermine Mountains in [[The Silvermine Mountains]].
# In [[Woodcarvers]], [[Gwyneth Sunsword]] and [[Kallark]] appear to the Woodcarvers, telling them that they have been following the trail of [[Golestandt]] for two days, fighting the mindless [[Ageless]] creatures that it has been creating. We therefore know that Woodcarvers takes place after [[The Silvermine Mountains]].
3.
# [[Kobold Headhunters]] is set after [[The Sunswords]] and because [[Burrito]] is seen referring to Jakelad's Kobold song (which he created in The Sunswords) as a "classic".
4.
# In [[The Zarlin Catacombs]], [[Sergio Fabioso]] had a copy of the famous [[Boyfriend Quest]], which he gave to [[Morgana Marie]]. Boyfriend Quest was being written in [[Sunswords]] by the Elf [[Dave]]. Because of this, it is canon that Sunswords comes before The Zarlin Catacombs.
# In [[Unexpected Discovery]], a Kobold Bromas appears, who is starting to accept his change into a Kobold Bromas also met his fate in this campaign. Bromas was changed into a Kobold in [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]. With this in mind, we know that [[Unexpected Discovery]] takes place after [[The Sunswords]], [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]], and [[The Zarlin Catacombs]].
5.
# In [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]], multiple characters reference [[Dave]]'s book, [[Boyfriend Quest]]. As it was still being written in [[The Sunswords]], Okagnoma Guild Hall must come after that.
# In [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]], a few moments after the group of students teleport into the cave, the mercenary group from [[The Blood Snake Queen]] commences their tower manoeuvre, ultimately failing before they retreat. With this information, we know that the third encounter of Okagnoma Guild Hall happens during the final encounter of The Blood Snake Queen.
6.
# In [[Murder Bros]], [[Dave]] is killed, placing the campaign after his appearance in [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]].
7.
# In [[Battle of the Bards]], while the [[List of Organizations#The Future Winners||Future Winners]] are battling Marcel the Mime, Vanessa starts singing the "Fuck the Kobolds" song that [[Jakelad]] created in [[Sunswords]] with the help of [[Kallark]]. With this information, we now know that Battle of the Bards is after Sunswords.
8.
# In [[The Cobblers]], [[Reginald Barringster III]] has his mind made blank by [[Borris Cobbler]], allowing for him to become twisted by [[Flesh Monstrosity#The Cobblers|Legion]] to eventually betray [[Virgo Sunsword]] and his comrades during [[The Death of Virgo]].
9.
# In [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]] campaign, we see [[Morgana Marie]] talking to an Elf named J.J. about various artifacts, and eventually they start talking about The Zarlin Catacombs. J.J. then tells Morgana that some Paladins are going into the Catacombs to search through it. Morgana managed to convince J.J. with a bag of gold that she is apart of said Paladin group as a tourist.
# In [[Unexpected Discovery]], a Kobold Bromas appears, who is starting to accept his change into a Kobold Bromas also met his fate in this campaign. Bromas was changed into a Kobold in [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]. With this in mind, we know that [[Unexpected Discovery]] takes place after [[The Sunswords]], [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]], and [[The Zarlin Catacombs]].

==Theories==

=== Theory for Sunswords to be before Roamin's Band of Thieves ===
[[Gwyneth Sunsword]] mentions whilst she has a baby her desire to go and spend some time with some [[Sun Cleric]]s. She, however, loses the baby, so likely did not do this straight after [[Sunswords]]. Gwyneth does do this at some point, however, whether it be before or after Sunswords, and among them she spends time with [[Dave]]. Also in Sunswords and Roamin's Band of Thieves, Dave is not a captain, but in Porc Hunters he is. Promotion maybe, but also possibly a demotion so it does not prove anything.

=== Theory for Roamin's Band of Thieves to be after Porc Hunters ===
The time space between [[Sunswords]] and [[Porc Hunters]] has been proven to be very short, perhaps at most a couple a years. In this time Gwyneth would have to have a reason (ie. injury or baby) to leave the Sunswords and go live with some Sun Clerics. [[Dave]] would also have to have a reason for why he should leave and go with her. It is possible that then Dave left the Sunswords with Gwyneth and went to live with Sun Clerics as Gwyneth broke up with [[Xavius]] and started going out with [[Dave]] as Gwyneth said in Sunswords that Dave would be her next boyfirend so there is a possible relationship there. It is possible, therefore, that Gwyneth is dating Dave in Porc Hunters (whilst they are both part of the Sunswords taking prisoners to the [[Silver Mine Mountains]]), which would explain why [[Ca-Rell]] asked Dave how Gwyneth is. Dave and Gwyneth were dating the party was split at the time with Gwyneth leading one expedition and Gwyneth's number two who would obviously be Dave when you consider how she treats [[Kallark]] in Sunswords leading another. Dave then gets Gwyneth pregnant and they leave the Sunswords to go to live with some Sun Clerics. During [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]] Gwyneth is pregnant with Dave's child and then afterwards she gives birth. This would mean that Roamin's Band of Thieves happens a non-specific time after Porc Hunters.

=== Theory for Porc Hunters to be after Roamin's Band of Thieves ===

==== Theory 1 ''- Note: non-canon'' ====
It is commonly believed that [[Porc Hunters]] happened after [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]], due to the elf, [[Dave]] being present during both campaigns and stating about a "band of thieves connected to the prisoner Kobold" event happening to [[Gwyneth Sunsword|Gwyneth Sunsword's]] Sunblades. However the prisoner kobold was [[Chimera]], not [[Philhipé]] nor was it stated that the thieves where gnomes and a dwarf. It should be noted that it was also said that the thieves were conected to the Kobold in the prison wagon (ie Chimera) however there is no evidence that Roamin's band of thieves ever met or had even heard of Chimera.

''It was later revealed that Chimera was connected to the [[Murder Bros]], making the connection to [[Yumi|Yumi's]] [[Band of Thieves]] entirely non-canon.''

==== Theory 2 ====
Another theory states that since Dave is not a captain in either Sunswords or Band of Thieves, but is a captain in Porc Hunters, and since it is already known that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters due to Phineas joining Theta Squad at the end of Porc Hunters, then (using Occam's Razor) it is most likely that Dave was promoted/demoted to Captain after both Sunswords and Band of Thieves, rather than promoted and then suddenly demoted (or vice versa). Thus, Roamin's Band of Thieves most likely predates Porc Hunters.

==== Theory 3 ====
It's very likely that [[Murder Bros]] happens a very short time after [[Porc Hunters]], because [[Dave]] is leading [[Chimera]] to [[Silvermine_Mountains_(Location)|the Silvermine Mountains]] in both, and dies in Murder Bros. Because of the short amount of time between Porc Hunters and Dave's death, it's highly unlikely that Roamin's Band of Thieves, which features Dave, happens between the two campaigns, and it is much more likely that it happens some time before Porc Hunters.

=== Theories explaining how Kinney Boots acquired Lieutenant Surge from Ca-Rell===

==== Theory 1 ====
[[Kinney Boots]] stole from, or killed, [[Ca-Rell]] to obtain the enchanted mace.

==== Theory 2 ====
[[Merci]] is actually [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Porco|Porco]] from [[Ca-Rell|Ca-Rell's]] cave of Porcs and that Porco, after being named, began to grow in pride. He educated himself and eventually betrayed Ca-Rell, greedy for power and stole Lieutenant Surge. He left the cave and renamed himself Merci. He then went on to seek his fortune as a pirate captain. After Kinney joins the crew and Porco, now Merci, starts using an anchor as a weapon Merci gives Kinney Lieutenant Surge as a gift since they are dating (thought because Merci was in his cabin for 13 days and Kinney's coat was also in Merci's cabin). This would mean that The Jewel of the Dingo Isles occurs many years after Porc Hunters.

This theory is currently very unlikely because of [[Phineas Barringster|Phineas]] appearing as a young child in both [[Porc Hunters]] and [[The New Crew]], which means that the time between these campaigns is likely not more than a few years.

==== Theory 3 ====

In the card description for the [[Treasures#Bewitching_Mirror|Bewitching Mirror]], it says that if the mirror is destroyed, the person trapped in it is released. If the mirror broke at the end of [[Porc Hunters]], then [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Porco|Porco]] could have escaped from the mirror and killed [[Ca-Rell]], explaining how the mace left Ca-Rell's possession. At some point after this, [[Kinney Boots]] found and/or stole the mace, thus why she owned it in [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]].

===Theories Regarding Kobold Headhunters===

==== Theory 1 ====
The first encounter of [[Kobold Headhunters]] is set during the final encounter of [[The Unseen Rogues]] because [[Neena]] appears out of [[Romulus|Romulus']] [[Vampire Locket]] and is required to clean her [[Nobleborn Knife]] before leaving use it to finish the final encounter in [[The Unseen Rogues]]. This is unconfirmed because it is unclear how the [[Vampire Locket]] works.

==== Theory 2 ====
[[Kobold Headhunters]] takes place years after [[The Unseen Rogues]], because [[Romulus]] mentions that his ancestor (which he never decides on the number of "great"s for) was killed by someone, and the killing is not implied to have been very recent. In The Unseen Rogues, he comes out of the [[Vampire Locket]] and tries to take revenge on [[Omally]], the person who supposedly killed his ancestor. Omally specifically mentions that the kobold attacking him is supposed to be dead, likely referring to Romulus's ancestor. However, it is unlikely that Omally would mistake an old man kobold for a different adult Kobold aside from a passing family resemblance, leading to the possibility that Romulus comes from some point in the future.

==== Theory 3 ====
''Note: this is not technically a theory, but it has been thought to make the events of The Silvermine Mountains and Kobold Headhunters have a canonical order in past, so it should be kept to explain why it doesn't.''

During [[The Silvermine Mountains]] campaign [[Gwyneth Sunsword]] discusses with the other elves how they are the superior race. She mentions that elves have the responsibility to look after the lesser races for the lesser races' own good. As an example of this she mentions in passing how they looked after the inhabitants of [[Karazzim]]. This means they either the elves have done something in the town of Karazzim at some point, but this does not necessarily put [[Kobold Headhunters]] before or after [[The Silvermine Mountains]]. It is thought that the elves may have either established the town, or came in after the town was established and influenced it somehow.

===Theory that New Crew is before Band of Thieves===

==== Theory 1 ====
In [[The New Crew]], [[Ladyir]] simply finds the key within a desk, virtually unguarded. It could be that after [[Merci|Merci's]] crew failed to retrieve the key for [[Nisovin]], the Elves realized that the keys were important for some reason. They then entrusted [[Gwyneth]] to wear the key around her neck at all times while they researched what the key was used for. Nisovin, seeing that an outright assault on the elves failed to get the key, hires [[Yumi]] to take it by stealth.

''This is rather unlikely, since [[Porc Hunters]] and [[Murder Bros]] both happen within a short time of each other, with [[Dave]] leading [[Chimera]] to the [[Silvermine_Mountains_(Location)|Silvermine Mountains]] in both campaigns and dying in the second. Porc Hunters happens before [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], and [[The New Crew]] happens a full year after The Jewel of the Dingo Isles, meaning that if [[Band of Thieves]] happened after The New Crew, it would likely happen over a year after Dave's death in Murder Bros, and thus would create a paradox.''

==== Theory 2 ====
Rob mentioned in The New Crew behind the scenes video that there are multiple keys. So it could be that the keys within these two campaigns are different ones entirely.

===Theory that Band of Thieves is before New Crew ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]], [[Nisovin]] has to be pressed for him to reveal what the key looks like. He eventually describes it as orange and glowing but when it seems like the thieves might try to trick him, he immediately warns "Don't just cover a key with tang and bring it back to me!". In [[The New Crew]] when Nisovin gives [[Merci]] the mission, he describes the key as "tang colored". It could be reasoned that Nisovin only thought about it being "tang colored" after his original warning to the thieves. This may also be the reason why [[Fenrus]] was weaker in New Crew then in Band of Thieves, because he was still recovering from the previous battle.

==== Theory 2 ====
Nisovin hired [[Yumi]] and her band of Thieves to sneak into the Temple of the Fallen Sun and steal the key originally. However, when they failed the key was moved to a more secure location on the remote island of [[Laeyuleaugh]] where the Sunswords had a summer home. With the key only reachable by sea, Nisovin then hired the crew of the [[Bocoe]], who had, in [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], already proven themselves before to him, to try to steal the key once more.

=== Theory that Unseen Rogues is before Band of Thieves ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In Unseen Rogues when [[Neena Brando]] uses [[Puppeteer#Lascene|Lascene]], [[Squinks]] gets a copy from his [[Treasures#Spellwall_Armor | Spellwall Armor]]. Then, in Roamin's Band of Thieves, Squinks gives his spellwall armour to [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Nessie|Nessie]] in order to cross the bridge. Note that this is very weak evidence, as Squinks could easily have gotten another spellwall armour after giving his old one to Nessie.

==== Theory 2 - ''Note: non-canon'' ====
There was a possibility that [[K4]] would appear in Unseen Rogues instead of [[Squinks]], as any of the four player characters from Roamin's Band of Thieves could have appeared. Since we know that K4 went to live with the monkey fish king after RBoT we can safely assume that RBoT occurs after Unseen Rogues, however this is not true. K4 could easily have left the monkey fish king to join a band of thieves.

=== Theory that Band of Thieves is before Unseen Rogues ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In [[Band of Thieves]], [[Squinks]] starts showing contempt for [[Yumi]], since all of Yumi's plans are the same. He ends up betraying the party, and only rejoins [[Yumi]] while escaping the Sunsword Village. It's unlikely the two would stay together for very long, so it's possible that Squinks left Yumi's band of thieves and ended up in the band of thieves fought in [[The Unseen Rogues]].

===Theory that Guild of Explorers is before Battle of the Bards===
During [[List of Organizations|The Future Winner's]] first round of performances at [[Battle of the Bards]] competition, while against Marcel the Mime [[Vanessa Squishwitz]], thanks to the help of [[Popo]] and [[Gear Man]] was covered in a sprinkle of fire and ice. [[Rob]], in an out of character sense, asked if [[Patrick Cake]] from [[Guild of Explorers]] was present in the audience. Rob then rolled, and got an 18. [[Deadbones]] then stated that a Gnome started screaming, implying that Patrick was in the crowd, but didn't explain any further. If that gnome was Patrick, this would be a PTSD attack of his. If he was present in the crowd, Guild of Explorers would be before Battle of the Bards.

== Possible Extended Timeline ==
Rob formerly confirmed in a tweet [https://twitter.com/urealms/status/557383763530088448] that UR Live takes place after Lords of Minecraft, and will be followed by Unforgotten Quest, and Dwarves vs. Zombies will be the apocalyptic end of the timeline. However, a more recent Reddit comment said URLive, DvZ, and LoM take place in separate universes.

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'''The Timeline''' of Unforgotten Realms Live is currently being constructed.

==Canon Confirmed Timeline==
1.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Porc Hunters]]
# [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]]
# [[The New Crew]]

2.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Porc Hunters]]
# [[Murder Bros]]
# [[The Silvermine Mountains]]
# [[Woodcarvers]]

3.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Kobold Headhunters]]

4.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]
# [[Unexpected Discovery]]

5.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[The Blood Snake Queen]]
# [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]]

6.
# [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]]
# [[Murder Bros]]

7.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Battle of the Bards]]

8.
# [[The Cobblers]]
# [[The Death of Virgo]]

9.
# [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]]
# [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]
# [[Unexpected Discovery]]

==Reasons why these Timelines are Canon==
'''IMPORTANT: There is currently no evidence that [[The Unseen Rogues]] and [[Kobold Headhunters]] occur at the same time. See the theories for more information.'''

1.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Phineas]] has yet to join [[List_of_Organizations#Theta Squad|Theta Squad]] or become a master [[Cabalist]]. He is still in training and knows no Cabalist skills. In [[Porc Hunters]], Phineas has become all of this and joins Theta Squad. This confirms that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters. The time between the two campaigns is likely only a few months or years as Phineas is a prepubescent child in both and in Sunswords he has already been referred to as a young adult so he is likely around 10 to 12 in human years.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Jakelad]] is still alive and seen working on the song "[[Fuck the Kobolds]]". In [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], he sings "Fuck the Kobolds" frequently until the point of his death. This confirms that Sunswords predates The Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# In [[The New Crew]], [[Kinney Boots]] leaves the crew, [[Jo Krysstal]] is killed, and most of the remaining crew (including [[Merci|Captain Merci]] and [[McCoy|first mate McCoy]]) are sent to the [[Silvermine Mountains]]. McCoy also starts The New Crew with his tentacle arm. Because of this, we know that The New Crew takes place after The Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# In [[The New Crew]], [[Phineas]] joins the crew. This time, he has his Cabalist powers and has begun to go insane from repeatedly using [[Cabalist#Blanket of Darkness|Blanket of Darkness]] on himself. Because of this, we know that The New Crew must take place after [[Porc Hunters]]. As a result of this, we also know that [[Ca-Rell]] must have had [[Lieutenant Surge]] before [[Kinney Boots]] acquired it. Because of this, we know that Porc Hunters also predates Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# While [[McCoy]] and [[Phineas]] pillage [[Laeyuleaugh]], Phineas points out that [[Pot Puppies]] only live a year before reverting to seeds. McCoy admits that [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Cooper|Cooper]] is on his last legs, but asserts he's still fit as ever. Based on this information, we can assume that [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]] takes place approximately 1 year before [[The New Crew]].
2.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Phineas]] has yet to join [[List_of_Organizations#Theta Squad|Theta Squad]] or become a master [[Cabalist]]. He is still in training and knows no Cabalist skills. In [[Porc Hunters]], Phineas has become all of this and joins Theta Squad. This confirms that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters. The time between the two campaigns is likely only a few months or years as Phineas is a prepubescent child in both and in Sunswords he has already been referred to as a young adult so he is likely around 10 to 12 in human years.
# In [[Murder Bros]], [[Dave]] is killed while taking [[Chimera]] to the [[Silvermine Mountains]], placing the campaign after his appearance in [[Porc Hunters]] and before the destruction of the Silvermine Mountains in [[The Silvermine Mountains]].
# In [[Woodcarvers]], [[Gwyneth Sunsword]] and [[Kallark]] appear to the Woodcarvers, telling them that they have been following the trail of [[Golestandt]] for two days, fighting the mindless [[Ageless]] creatures that it has been creating. We therefore know that Woodcarvers takes place after [[The Silvermine Mountains]].
3.
# [[Kobold Headhunters]] is set after [[The Sunswords]] and because [[Burrito]] is seen referring to Jakelad's Kobold song (which he created in The Sunswords) as a "classic".
4.
# In [[The Zarlin Catacombs]], [[Sergio Fabioso]] had a copy of the famous [[Boyfriend Quest]], which he gave to [[Morgana Marie]]. Boyfriend Quest was being written in [[Sunswords]] by the Elf [[Dave]]. Because of this, it is canon that Sunswords comes before The Zarlin Catacombs.
# In [[Unexpected Discovery]], a Kobold Bromas appears, who is starting to accept his change into a Kobold Bromas also met his fate in this campaign. Bromas was changed into a Kobold in [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]. With this in mind, we know that [[Unexpected Discovery]] takes place after [[The Sunswords]], [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]], and [[The Zarlin Catacombs]].
5.
# In [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]], multiple characters reference [[Dave]]'s book, [[Boyfriend Quest]]. As it was still being written in [[The Sunswords]], Okagnoma Guild Hall must come after that.
# In [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]], a few moments after the group of students teleport into the cave, the mercenary group from [[The Blood Snake Queen]] commences their tower manoeuvre, ultimately failing before they retreat. With this information, we know that the third encounter of Okagnoma Guild Hall happens during the final encounter of The Blood Snake Queen.
6.
# In [[Murder Bros]], [[Dave]] is killed, placing the campaign after his appearance in [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]].
7.
# In [[Battle of the Bards]], while the [[List of Organizations#The Future Winners||Future Winners]] are battling Marcel the Mime, Vanessa starts singing the "Fuck the Kobolds" song that [[Jakelad]] created in [[Sunswords]] with the help of [[Kallark]]. With this information, we now know that Battle of the Bards is after Sunswords.
8.
# In [[The Cobblers]], [[Reginald Barringster III]] has his mind made blank by [[Borris Cobbler]], allowing for him to become twisted by [[Flesh Monstrosity#The Cobblers|Legion]] to eventually betray [[Virgo Sunsword]] and his comrades during [[The Death of Virgo]].
9.
# In [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]] campaign, we see [[Morgana Marie]] talking to an Elf named J.J. about various artifacts, and eventually they start talking about The Zarlin Catacombs. J.J. then tells Morgana that some Paladins are going into the Catacombs to search through it. Morgana managed to convince J.J. with a bag of gold that she is apart of said Paladin group as a tourist.
# In [[Unexpected Discovery]], a Kobold Bromas appears, who is starting to accept his change into a Kobold Bromas also met his fate in this campaign. Bromas was changed into a Kobold in [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]. With this in mind, we know that [[Unexpected Discovery]] takes place after [[The Sunswords]], [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]], and [[The Zarlin Catacombs]].

==Theories==

=== Theory for Sunswords to be before Roamin's Band of Thieves ===
[[Gwyneth Sunsword]] mentions whilst she has a baby her desire to go and spend some time with some [[Sun Cleric]]s. She, however, loses the baby, so likely did not do this straight after [[Sunswords]]. Gwyneth does do this at some point, however, whether it be before or after Sunswords, and among them she spends time with [[Dave]]. Also in Sunswords and Roamin's Band of Thieves, Dave is not a captain, but in Porc Hunters he is. Promotion maybe, but also possibly a demotion so it does not prove anything.

=== Theory for Roamin's Band of Thieves to be after Porc Hunters ===
The time space between [[Sunswords]] and [[Porc Hunters]] has been proven to be very short, perhaps at most a couple a years. In this time Gwyneth would have to have a reason (ie. injury or baby) to leave the Sunswords and go live with some Sun Clerics. [[Dave]] would also have to have a reason for why he should leave and go with her. It is possible that then Dave left the Sunswords with Gwyneth and went to live with Sun Clerics as Gwyneth broke up with [[Xavius]] and started going out with [[Dave]] as Gwyneth said in Sunswords that Dave would be her next boyfirend so there is a possible relationship there. It is possible, therefore, that Gwyneth is dating Dave in Porc Hunters (whilst they are both part of the Sunswords taking prisoners to the [[Silver Mine Mountains]]), which would explain why [[Ca-Rell]] asked Dave how Gwyneth is. Dave and Gwyneth were dating the party was split at the time with Gwyneth leading one expedition and Gwyneth's number two who would obviously be Dave when you consider how she treats [[Kallark]] in Sunswords leading another. Dave then gets Gwyneth pregnant and they leave the Sunswords to go to live with some Sun Clerics. During [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]] Gwyneth is pregnant with Dave's child and then afterwards she gives birth. This would mean that Roamin's Band of Thieves happens a non-specific time after Porc Hunters.

=== Theory for Porc Hunters to be after Roamin's Band of Thieves ===

==== Theory 1 ====
It is commonly believed that [[Porc Hunters]] happened after [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]], due to the elf, [[Dave]] being present during both campaigns and stating about a "band of thieves connected to the prisoner Kobold" event happening to [[Gwyneth Sunsword|Gwyneth Sunsword's]] Sunblades. However the prisoner kobold was [[Chimera]], not [[Philhipé]] nor was it stated that the thieves where gnomes and a dwarf. It should be noted that it was also said that the thieves were conected to the Kobold in the prison wagon (ie Chimera) however there is no evidence that Roamin's band of thieves ever met or had even heard of Chimera.

==== Theory 2 ====
Another theory states that since Dave is not a captain in either Sunswords or Band of Thieves, but is a captain in Porc Hunters, and since it is already known that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters due to Phineas joining Theta Squad at the end of Porc Hunters, then (using Occam's Razor) it is most likely that Dave was promoted/demoted to Captain after both Sunswords and Band of Thieves, rather than promoted and then suddenly demoted (or vice versa). Thus, Roamin's Band of Thieves most likely predates Porc Hunters.

==== Theory 3 ====
It's very likely that [[Murder Bros]] happens a very short time after [[Porc Hunters]], because [[Dave]] is leading [[Chimera]] to [[Silvermine_Mountains_(Location)|the Silvermine Mountains]] in both, and dies in Murder Bros. Because of the short amount of time between Porc Hunters and Dave's death, it's highly unlikely that Roamin's Band of Thieves, which features Dave, happens between the two campaigns, and it is much more likely that it happens some time before Porc Hunters.

=== Theories explaining how Kinney Boots acquired Lieutenant Surge from Ca-Rell===

==== Theory 1 ====
[[Kinney Boots]] stole from, or killed, [[Ca-Rell]] to obtain the enchanted mace.

==== Theory 2 ====
[[Merci]] is actually [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Porco|Porco]] from [[Ca-Rell|Ca-Rell's]] cave of Porcs and that Porco, after being named, began to grow in pride. He educated himself and eventually betrayed Ca-Rell, greedy for power and stole Lieutenant Surge. He left the cave and renamed himself Merci. He then went on to seek his fortune as a pirate captain. After Kinney joins the crew and Porco, now Merci, starts using an anchor as a weapon Merci gives Kinney Lieutenant Surge as a gift since they are dating (thought because Merci was in his cabin for 13 days and Kinney's coat was also in Merci's cabin). This would mean that The Jewel of the Dingo Isles occurs many years after Porc Hunters.

This theory is currently very unlikely because of [[Phineas Barringster|Phineas]] appearing as a young child in both [[Porc Hunters]] and [[The New Crew]], which means that the time between these campaigns is likely not more than a few years.

==== Theory 3 ====

In the card description for the [[Treasures#Bewitching_Mirror|Bewitching Mirror]], it says that if the mirror is destroyed, the person trapped in it is released. If the mirror broke at the end of [[Porc Hunters]], then [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Porco|Porco]] could have escaped from the mirror and killed [[Ca-Rell]], explaining how the mace left Ca-Rell's possession. At some point after this, [[Kinney Boots]] found and/or stole the mace, thus why she owned it in [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]].

===Theories Regarding Kobold Headhunters===

==== Theory 1 ====
The first encounter of [[Kobold Headhunters]] is set during the final encounter of [[The Unseen Rogues]] because [[Neena]] appears out of [[Romulus|Romulus']] [[Vampire Locket]] and is required to clean her [[Nobleborn Knife]] before leaving use it to finish the final encounter in [[The Unseen Rogues]]. This is unconfirmed because it is unclear how the [[Vampire Locket]] works.

==== Theory 2 ====
[[Kobold Headhunters]] takes place years after [[The Unseen Rogues]], because [[Romulus]] mentions that his ancestor (which he never decides on the number of "great"s for) was killed by someone, and the killing is not implied to have been very recent. In The Unseen Rogues, he comes out of the [[Vampire Locket]] and tries to take revenge on [[Omally]], the person who supposedly killed his ancestor. Omally specifically mentions that the kobold attacking him is supposed to be dead, likely referring to Romulus's ancestor. However, it is unlikely that Omally would mistake an old man kobold for a different adult Kobold aside from a passing family resemblance, leading to the possibility that Romulus comes from some point in the future.

==== Theory 3 ====
''Note: this is not technically a theory, but it has been thought to make the events of The Silvermine Mountains and Kobold Headhunters have a canonical order in past, so it should be kept to explain why it doesn't.''

During [[The Silvermine Mountains]] campaign [[Gwyneth Sunsword]] discusses with the other elves how they are the superior race. She mentions that elves have the responsibility to look after the lesser races for the lesser races' own good. As an example of this she mentions in passing how they looked after the inhabitants of [[Karazzim]]. This means they either the elves have done something in the town of Karazzim at some point, but this does not necessarily put [[Kobold Headhunters]] before or after [[The Silvermine Mountains]]. It is thought that the elves may have either established the town, or came in after the town was established and influenced it somehow.

===Theory that New Crew is before Band of Thieves===

==== Theory 1 ====
In [[The New Crew]], [[Ladyir]] simply finds the key within a desk, virtually unguarded. It could be that after [[Merci|Merci's]] crew failed to retrieve the key for [[Nisovin]], the Elves realized that the keys were important for some reason. They then entrusted [[Gwyneth]] to wear the key around her neck at all times while they researched what the key was used for. Nisovin, seeing that an outright assault on the elves failed to get the key, hires [[Yumi]] to take it by stealth.

''This is rather unlikely, since [[Porc Hunters]] and [[Murder Bros]] both happen within a short time of each other, with [[Dave]] leading [[Chimera]] to the [[Silvermine_Mountains_(Location)|Silvermine Mountains]] in both campaigns and dying in the second. Porc Hunters happens before [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], and [[The New Crew]] happens a full year after The Jewel of the Dingo Isles, meaning that if [[Band of Thieves]] happened after The New Crew, it would likely happen over a year after Dave's death in Murder Bros, and thus would create a paradox.''

==== Theory 2 ====
Rob mentioned in The New Crew behind the scenes video that there are multiple keys. So it could be that the keys within these two campaigns are different ones entirely.

===Theory that Band of Thieves is before New Crew ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]], [[Nisovin]] has to be pressed for him to reveal what the key looks like. He eventually describes it as orange and glowing but when it seems like the thieves might try to trick him, he immediately warns "Don't just cover a key with tang and bring it back to me!". In [[The New Crew]] when Nisovin gives [[Merci]] the mission, he describes the key as "tang colored". It could be reasoned that Nisovin only thought about it being "tang colored" after his original warning to the thieves. This may also be the reason why [[Fenrus]] was weaker in New Crew then in Band of Thieves, because he was still recovering from the previous battle.

==== Theory 2 ====
Nisovin hired [[Yumi]] and her band of Thieves to sneak into the Temple of the Fallen Sun and steal the key originally. However, when they failed the key was moved to a more secure location on the remote island of [[Laeyuleaugh]] where the Sunswords had a summer home. With the key only reachable by sea, Nisovin then hired the crew of the [[Bocoe]], who had, in [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], already proven themselves before to him, to try to steal the key once more.

=== Theory that Unseen Rogues is before Band of Thieves ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In Unseen Rogues when [[Neena Brando]] uses [[Puppeteer#Lascene|Lascene]], [[Squinks]] gets a copy from his [[Treasures#Spellwall_Armor | Spellwall Armor]]. Then, in Roamin's Band of Thieves, Squinks gives his spellwall armour to [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Nessie|Nessie]] in order to cross the bridge. Note that this is very weak evidence, as Squinks could easily have gotten another spellwall armour after giving his old one to Nessie.

==== Theory 2 - ''Note: non-canon'' ====
There was a possibility that [[K4]] would appear in Unseen Rogues instead of [[Squinks]], as any of the four player characters from Roamin's Band of Thieves could have appeared. Since we know that K4 went to live with the monkey fish king after RBoT we can safely assume that RBoT occurs after Unseen Rogues, however this is not true. K4 could easily have left the monkey fish king to join a band of thieves.

=== Theory that Band of Thieves is before Unseen Rogues ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In [[Band of Thieves]], [[Squinks]] starts showing contempt for [[Yumi]], since all of Yumi's plans are the same. He ends up betraying the party, and only rejoins [[Yumi]] while escaping the Sunsword Village. It's unlikely the two would stay together for very long, so it's possible that Squinks left Yumi's band of thieves and ended up in the band of thieves fought in [[The Unseen Rogues]].

===Theory that Guild of Explorers is before Battle of the Bards===
During [[List of Organizations|The Future Winner's]] first round of performances at [[Battle of the Bards]] competition, while against Marcel the Mime [[Vanessa Squishwitz]], thanks to the help of [[Popo]] and [[Gear Man]] was covered in a sprinkle of fire and ice. [[Rob]], in an out of character sense, asked if [[Patrick Cake]] from [[Guild of Explorers]] was present in the audience. Rob then rolled, and got an 18. [[Deadbones]] then stated that a Gnome started screaming, implying that Patrick was in the crowd, but didn't explain any further. If that gnome was Patrick, this would be a PTSD attack of his. If he was present in the crowd, Guild of Explorers would be before Battle of the Bards.

== Possible Extended Timeline ==
Rob formerly confirmed in a tweet [https://twitter.com/urealms/status/557383763530088448] that UR Live takes place after Lords of Minecraft, and will be followed by Unforgotten Quest, and Dwarves vs. Zombies will be the apocalyptic end of the timeline. However, a more recent Reddit comment said URLive, DvZ, and LoM take place in separate universes.

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'''The Timeline''' of Unforgotten Realms Live is currently being constructed.

==Canon Confirmed Timeline==
1.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Porc Hunters]]
# [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]]
# [[The New Crew]]

2.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Porc Hunters]]
# [[Murder Bros]]
# [[The Silvermine Mountains]]
# [[Woodcarvers]]

3.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Kobold Headhunters]]

4.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]
# [[Unexpected Discovery]]

5.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[The Blood Snake Queen]]
# [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]]

6.
# [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]]
# [[Murder Bros]]

7.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Battle of the Bards]]

8.
# [[The Cobblers]]
# [[The Death of Virgo]]

9.
# [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]]
# [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]
# [[Unexpected Discovery]]

==Reasons why these Timelines are Canon==
'''IMPORTANT: There is currently no evidence that [[The Unseen Rogues]] and [[Kobold Headhunters]] occur at the same time. See the theories for more information.'''

1.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Phineas]] has yet to join [[List_of_Organizations#Theta Squad|Theta Squad]] or become a master [[Cabalist]]. He is still in training and knows no Cabalist skills. In [[Porc Hunters]], Phineas has become all of this and joins Theta Squad. This confirms that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters. The time between the two campaigns is likely only a few months or years as Phineas is a prepubescent child in both and in Sunswords he has already been referred to as a young adult so he is likely around 10 to 12 in human years.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Jakelad]] is still alive and seen working on the song "[[Fuck the Kobolds]]". In [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], he sings "Fuck the Kobolds" frequently until the point of his death. This confirms that Sunswords predates The Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# In [[The New Crew]], [[Kinney Boots]] leaves the crew, [[Jo Krysstal]] is killed, and most of the remaining crew (including [[Merci|Captain Merci]] and [[McCoy|first mate McCoy]]) are sent to the [[Silvermine Mountains]]. McCoy also starts The New Crew with his tentacle arm. Because of this, we know that The New Crew takes place after The Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# In [[The New Crew]], [[Phineas]] joins the crew. This time, he has his Cabalist powers and has begun to go insane from repeatedly using [[Cabalist#Blanket of Darkness|Blanket of Darkness]] on himself. Because of this, we know that The New Crew must take place after [[Porc Hunters]]. As a result of this, we also know that [[Ca-Rell]] must have had [[Lieutenant Surge]] before [[Kinney Boots]] acquired it. Because of this, we know that Porc Hunters also predates Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# While [[McCoy]] and [[Phineas]] pillage [[Laeyuleaugh]], Phineas points out that [[Pot Puppies]] only live a year before reverting to seeds. McCoy admits that [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Cooper|Cooper]] is on his last legs, but asserts he's still fit as ever. Based on this information, we can assume that [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]] takes place approximately 1 year before [[The New Crew]].
2.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Phineas]] has yet to join [[List_of_Organizations#Theta Squad|Theta Squad]] or become a master [[Cabalist]]. He is still in training and knows no Cabalist skills. In [[Porc Hunters]], Phineas has become all of this and joins Theta Squad. This confirms that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters. The time between the two campaigns is likely only a few months or years as Phineas is a prepubescent child in both and in Sunswords he has already been referred to as a young adult so he is likely around 10 to 12 in human years.
# In [[Murder Bros]], [[Dave]] is killed while taking [[Chimera]] to the [[Silvermine Mountains]], placing the campaign after his appearance in [[Porc Hunters]] and before the destruction of the Silvermine Mountains in [[The Silvermine Mountains]].
# In [[Woodcarvers]], [[Gwyneth Sunsword]] and [[Kallark]] appear to the Woodcarvers, telling them that they have been following the trail of [[Golestandt]] for two days, fighting the mindless [[Ageless]] creatures that it has been creating. We therefore know that Woodcarvers takes place after [[The Silvermine Mountains]].
3.
# [[Kobold Headhunters]] is set after [[The Sunswords]] and because [[Burrito]] is seen referring to Jakelad's Kobold song (which he created in The Sunswords) as a "classic".
4.
# In [[The Zarlin Catacombs]], [[Sergio Fabioso]] had a copy of the famous [[Boyfriend Quest]], which he gave to [[Morgana Marie]]. Boyfriend Quest was being written in [[Sunswords]] by the Elf [[Dave]]. Because of this, it is canon that Sunswords comes before The Zarlin Catacombs.
# In [[Unexpected Discovery]], a Kobold Bromas appears, who is starting to accept his change into a Kobold Bromas also met his fate in this campaign. Bromas was changed into a Kobold in [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]. With this in mind, we know that [[Unexpected Discovery]] takes place after [[The Sunswords]], [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]], and [[The Zarlin Catacombs]].
5.
# In [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]], multiple characters reference [[Dave]]'s book, [[Boyfriend Quest]]. As it was still being written in [[The Sunswords]], Okagnoma Guild Hall must come after that.
# In [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]], a few moments after the group of students teleport into the cave, the mercenary group from [[The Blood Snake Queen]] commences their tower manoeuvre, ultimately failing before they retreat. With this information, we know that the third encounter of Okagnoma Guild Hall happens during the final encounter of The Blood Snake Queen.
6.
# In [[Murder Bros]], [[Dave]] is killed, placing the campaign after his appearance in [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]].
7.
# In [[Battle of the Bards]], while the [[List of Organizations#The Future Winners||Future Winners]] are battling Marcel the Mime, Vanessa starts singing the "Fuck the Kobolds" song that [[Jakelad]] created in [[Sunswords]] with the help of [[Kallark]]. With this information, we now know that Battle of the Bards is after Sunswords.
8.
# In [[The Cobblers]], [[Reginald Barringster III]] has his mind made blank by [[Borris Cobbler]], allowing for him to become twisted by [[Flesh Monstrosity#The Cobblers|Legion]] to eventually betray [[Virgo Sunsword]] and his comrades during [[The Death of Virgo]].
9.
# In [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]] campaign, we see [[Morgana Marie]] talking to an Elf named J.J. about various artifacts, and eventually they start talking about The Zarlin Catacombs. J.J. then tells Morgana that some Paladins are going into the Catacombs to search through it. Morgana managed to convince J.J. with a bag of gold that she is apart of said Paladin group as a tourist.
# In [[Unexpected Discovery]], a Kobold Bromas appears, who is starting to accept his change into a Kobold Bromas also met his fate in this campaign. Bromas was changed into a Kobold in [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]. With this in mind, we know that [[Unexpected Discovery]] takes place after [[The Sunswords]], [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]], and [[The Zarlin Catacombs]].

==Theories==

=== Theory for Sunswords to be before Roamin's Band of Thieves ===
[[Gwyneth Sunsword]] mentions whilst she has a baby her desire to go and spend some time with some [[Sun Cleric]]s. She, however, loses the baby, so likely did not do this straight after [[Sunswords]]. Gwyneth does do this at some point, however, whether it be before or after Sunswords, and among them she spends time with [[Dave]]. Also in Sunswords and Roamin's Band of Thieves, Dave is not a captain, but in Porc Hunters he is. Promotion maybe, but also possibly a demotion so it does not prove anything.

=== Theory for Roamin's Band of Thieves to be after Porc Hunters ===
The time space between [[Sunswords]] and [[Porc Hunters]] has been proven to be very short, perhaps at most a couple a years. In this time Gwyneth would have to have a reason (ie. injury or baby) to leave the Sunswords and go live with some Sun Clerics. [[Dave]] would also have to have a reason for why he should leave and go with her. It is possible that then Dave left the Sunswords with Gwyneth and went to live with Sun Clerics as Gwyneth broke up with [[Xavius]] and started going out with [[Dave]] as Gwyneth said in Sunswords that Dave would be her next boyfirend so there is a possible relationship there. It is possible, therefore, that Gwyneth is dating Dave in Porc Hunters (whilst they are both part of the Sunswords taking prisoners to the [[Silver Mine Mountains]]), which would explain why [[Ca-Rell]] asked Dave how Gwyneth is. Dave and Gwyneth were dating the party was split at the time with Gwyneth leading one expedition and Gwyneth's number two who would obviously be Dave when you consider how she treats [[Kallark]] in Sunswords leading another. Dave then gets Gwyneth pregnant and they leave the Sunswords to go to live with some Sun Clerics. During [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]] Gwyneth is pregnant with Dave's child and then afterwards she gives birth. This would mean that Roamin's Band of Thieves happens a non-specific time after Porc Hunters.

=== Theory for Porc Hunters to be after Roamin's Band of Thieves ===

==== Theory 1 ====
It is commonly believed that [[Porc Hunters]] happened after [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]], due to the elf, [[Dave]] being present during both campaigns and stating about a "band of thieves connected to the prisoner Kobold" event happening to [[Gwyneth Sunsword|Gwyneth Sunsword's]] Sunblades. However the prisoner kobold was [[Chimera]], not [[Philhipé]] nor was it stated that the thieves where gnomes and a dwarf. It should be noted that it was also said that the thieves were conected to the Kobold in the prison wagon (ie Chimera) however there is no evidence that Roamin's band of thieves ever met or had even heard of Chimera.

==== Theory 2 ====
Another theory states that since Dave is not a captain in either Sunswords or Band of Thieves, but is a captain in Porc Hunters, and since it is already known that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters due to Phineas joining Theta Squad at the end of Porc Hunters, then (using Occam's Razor) it is most likely that Dave was promoted/demoted to Captain after both Sunswords and Band of Thieves, rather than promoted and then suddenly demoted (or vice versa). Thus, Roamin's Band of Thieves most likely predates Porc Hunters.

=== Theories explaining how Kinney Boots acquired Lieutenant Surge from Ca-Rell===

==== Theory 1 ====
[[Kinney Boots]] stole from, or killed, [[Ca-Rell]] to obtain the enchanted mace.

==== Theory 2 ====
[[Merci]] is actually [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Porco|Porco]] from [[Ca-Rell|Ca-Rell's]] cave of Porcs and that Porco, after being named, began to grow in pride. He educated himself and eventually betrayed Ca-Rell, greedy for power and stole Lieutenant Surge. He left the cave and renamed himself Merci. He then went on to seek his fortune as a pirate captain. After Kinney joins the crew and Porco, now Merci, starts using an anchor as a weapon Merci gives Kinney Lieutenant Surge as a gift since they are dating (thought because Merci was in his cabin for 13 days and Kinney's coat was also in Merci's cabin). This would mean that The Jewel of the Dingo Isles occurs many years after Porc Hunters.

This theory is currently very unlikely because of [[Phineas Barringster|Phineas]] appearing as a young child in both [[Porc Hunters]] and [[The New Crew]], which means that the time between these campaigns is likely not more than a few years.

==== Theory 3 ====

In the card description for the [[Treasures#Bewitching_Mirror|Bewitching Mirror]], it says that if the mirror is destroyed, the person trapped in it is released. If the mirror broke at the end of [[Porc Hunters]], then [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Porco|Porco]] could have escaped from the mirror and killed [[Ca-Rell]], explaining how the mace left Ca-Rell's possession. At some point after this, [[Kinney Boots]] found and/or stole the mace, thus why she owned it in [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]].

===Theories Regarding Kobold Headhunters===

==== Theory 1 ====
The first encounter of [[Kobold Headhunters]] is set during the final encounter of [[The Unseen Rogues]] because [[Neena]] appears out of [[Romulus|Romulus']] [[Vampire Locket]] and is required to clean her [[Nobleborn Knife]] before leaving use it to finish the final encounter in [[The Unseen Rogues]]. This is unconfirmed because it is unclear how the [[Vampire Locket]] works.

==== Theory 2 ====
[[Kobold Headhunters]] takes place years after [[The Unseen Rogues]], because [[Romulus]] mentions that his ancestor (which he never decides on the number of "great"s for) was killed by someone, and the killing is not implied to have been very recent. In The Unseen Rogues, he comes out of the [[Vampire Locket]] and tries to take revenge on [[Omally]], the person who supposedly killed his ancestor. Omally specifically mentions that the kobold attacking him is supposed to be dead, likely referring to Romulus's ancestor. However, it is unlikely that Omally would mistake an old man kobold for a different adult Kobold aside from a passing family resemblance, leading to the possibility that Romulus comes from some point in the future.

==== Theory 3 ====
''Note: this is not technically a theory, but it has been thought to make the events of The Silvermine Mountains and Kobold Headhunters have a canonical order in past, so it should be kept to explain why it doesn't.''

During [[The Silvermine Mountains]] campaign [[Gwyneth Sunsword]] discusses with the other elves how they are the superior race. She mentions that elves have the responsibility to look after the lesser races for the lesser races' own good. As an example of this she mentions in passing how they looked after the inhabitants of [[Karazzim]]. This means they either the elves have done something in the town of Karazzim at some point, but this does not necessarily put [[Kobold Headhunters]] before or after [[The Silvermine Mountains]]. It is thought that the elves may have either established the town, or came in after the town was established and influenced it somehow.

===Theory that New Crew is before Band of Thieves===

==== Theory 1 ====
In [[The New Crew]], [[Ladyir]] simply finds the key within a desk, virtually unguarded. It could be that after [[Merci|Merci's]] crew failed to retrieve the key for [[Nisovin]], the Elves realized that the keys were important for some reason. They then entrusted [[Gwyneth]] to wear the key around her neck at all times while they researched what the key was used for. Nisovin, seeing that an outright assault on the elves failed to get the key, hires [[Yumi]] to take it by stealth.

''This is rather unlikely, since [[Porc Hunters]] and [[Murder Bros]] both happen within a short time of each other, with [[Dave]] leading [[Chimera]] to the [[Silvermine_Mountains_(Location)|Silvermine Mountains]] in both campaigns and dying in the second. Porc Hunters happens before [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], and [[The New Crew]] happens a full year after The Jewel of the Dingo Isles, meaning that if [[Band of Thieves]] happened after The New Crew, it would likely happen over a year after Dave's death in Murder Bros, and thus would create a paradox.''

==== Theory 2 ====
Rob mentioned in The New Crew behind the scenes video that there are multiple keys. So it could be that the keys within these two campaigns are different ones entirely.

===Theory that Band of Thieves is before New Crew ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]], [[Nisovin]] has to be pressed for him to reveal what the key looks like. He eventually describes it as orange and glowing but when it seems like the thieves might try to trick him, he immediately warns "Don't just cover a key with tang and bring it back to me!". In [[The New Crew]] when Nisovin gives [[Merci]] the mission, he describes the key as "tang colored". It could be reasoned that Nisovin only thought about it being "tang colored" after his original warning to the thieves. This may also be the reason why [[Fenrus]] was weaker in New Crew then in Band of Thieves, because he was still recovering from the previous battle.

==== Theory 2 ====
Nisovin hired [[Yumi]] and her band of Thieves to sneak into the Temple of the Fallen Sun and steal the key originally. However, when they failed the key was moved to a more secure location on the remote island of [[Laeyuleaugh]] where the Sunswords had a summer home. With the key only reachable by sea, Nisovin then hired the crew of the [[Bocoe]], who had, in [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], already proven themselves before to him, to try to steal the key once more.

=== Theory that Unseen Rogues is before Band of Thieves ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In Unseen Rogues when [[Neena Brando]] uses [[Puppeteer#Lascene|Lascene]], [[Squinks]] gets a copy from his [[Treasures#Spellwall_Armor | Spellwall Armor]]. Then, in Roamin's Band of Thieves, Squinks gives his spellwall armour to [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Nessie|Nessie]] in order to cross the bridge. Note that this is very weak evidence, as Squinks could easily have gotten another spellwall armour after giving his old one to Nessie.

==== Theory 2 - ''Note: non-canon'' ====
There was a possibility that [[K4]] would appear in Unseen Rogues instead of [[Squinks]], as any of the four player characters from Roamin's Band of Thieves could have appeared. Since we know that K4 went to live with the monkey fish king after RBoT we can safely assume that RBoT occurs after Unseen Rogues, however this is not true. K4 could easily have left the monkey fish king to join a band of thieves.

=== Theory that Band of Thieves is before Unseen Rogues ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In [[Band of Thieves]], [[Squinks]] starts showing contempt for [[Yumi]], since all of Yumi's plans are the same. He ends up betraying the party, and only rejoins [[Yumi]] while escaping the Sunsword Village. It's unlikely the two would stay together for very long, so it's possible that Squinks left Yumi's band of thieves and ended up in the band of thieves fought in [[The Unseen Rogues]].

===Theory that Guild of Explorers is before Battle of the Bards===
During [[List of Organizations|The Future Winner's]] first round of performances at [[Battle of the Bards]] competition, while against Marcel the Mime [[Vanessa Squishwitz]], thanks to the help of [[Popo]] and [[Gear Man]] was covered in a sprinkle of fire and ice. [[Rob]], in an out of character sense, asked if [[Patrick Cake]] from [[Guild of Explorers]] was present in the audience. Rob then rolled, and got an 18. [[Deadbones]] then stated that a Gnome started screaming, implying that Patrick was in the crowd, but didn't explain any further. If that gnome was Patrick, this would be a PTSD attack of his. If he was present in the crowd, Guild of Explorers would be before Battle of the Bards.

== Possible Extended Timeline ==
Rob formerly confirmed in a tweet [https://twitter.com/urealms/status/557383763530088448] that UR Live takes place after Lords of Minecraft, and will be followed by Unforgotten Quest, and Dwarves vs. Zombies will be the apocalyptic end of the timeline. However, a more recent Reddit comment said URLive, DvZ, and LoM take place in separate universes.

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Timeline

2016-09-28T19:15:28Z

168.91.255.100: Added opposite theory, removed references to TMGOP (which is even LESS canon than the possibility of K4 appearing).

{{Spoilers}}
'''The Timeline''' of Unforgotten Realms Live is currently being constructed.

==Canon Confirmed Timeline==
1.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Porc Hunters]]
# [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]]
# [[The New Crew]]

2.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Porc Hunters]]
# [[Murder Bros]]
# [[The Silvermine Mountains]]
# [[Woodcarvers]]

3.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Kobold Headhunters]]

4.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]
# [[Unexpected Discovery]]

5.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[The Blood Snake Queen]]
# [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]]

6.
# [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]]
# [[Murder Bros]]

7.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Battle of the Bards]]

8.
# [[The Cobblers]]
# [[The Death of Virgo]]

9.
# [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]]
# [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]
# [[Unexpected Discovery]]

==Reasons why these Timelines are Canon==
'''IMPORTANT: There is currently no evidence that [[The Unseen Rogues]] and [[Kobold Headhunters]] occur at the same time. See the theories for more information.'''

1.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Phineas]] has yet to join [[List_of_Organizations#Theta Squad|Theta Squad]] or become a master [[Cabalist]]. He is still in training and knows no Cabalist skills. In [[Porc Hunters]], Phineas has become all of this and joins Theta Squad. This confirms that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters. The time between the two campaigns is likely only a few months or years as Phineas is a prepubescent child in both and in Sunswords he has already been referred to as a young adult so he is likely around 10 to 12 in human years.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Jakelad]] is still alive and seen working on the song "[[Fuck the Kobolds]]". In [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], he sings "Fuck the Kobolds" frequently until the point of his death. This confirms that Sunswords predates The Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# In [[The New Crew]], [[Kinney Boots]] leaves the crew, [[Jo Krysstal]] is killed, and most of the remaining crew (including [[Merci|Captain Merci]] and [[McCoy|first mate McCoy]]) are sent to the [[Silvermine Mountains]]. McCoy also starts The New Crew with his tentacle arm. Because of this, we know that The New Crew takes place after The Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# In [[The New Crew]], [[Phineas]] joins the crew. This time, he has his Cabalist powers and has begun to go insane from repeatedly using [[Cabalist#Blanket of Darkness|Blanket of Darkness]] on himself. Because of this, we know that The New Crew must take place after [[Porc Hunters]]. As a result of this, we also know that [[Ca-Rell]] must have had [[Lieutenant Surge]] before [[Kinney Boots]] acquired it. Because of this, we know that Porc Hunters also predates Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# While [[McCoy]] and [[Phineas]] pillage [[Laeyuleaugh]], Phineas points out that [[Pot Puppies]] only live a year before reverting to seeds. McCoy admits that [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Cooper|Cooper]] is on his last legs, but asserts he's still fit as ever. Based on this information, we can assume that [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]] takes place approximately 1 year before [[The New Crew]].
2.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Phineas]] has yet to join [[List_of_Organizations#Theta Squad|Theta Squad]] or become a master [[Cabalist]]. He is still in training and knows no Cabalist skills. In [[Porc Hunters]], Phineas has become all of this and joins Theta Squad. This confirms that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters. The time between the two campaigns is likely only a few months or years as Phineas is a prepubescent child in both and in Sunswords he has already been referred to as a young adult so he is likely around 10 to 12 in human years.
# In [[Murder Bros]], [[Dave]] is killed while taking [[Chimera]] to the [[Silvermine Mountains]], placing the campaign after his appearance in [[Porc Hunters]] and before the destruction of the Silvermine Mountains in [[The Silvermine Mountains]].
# In [[Woodcarvers]], [[Gwyneth Sunsword]] and [[Kallark]] appear to the Woodcarvers, telling them that they have been following the trail of [[Golestandt]] for two days, fighting the mindless [[Ageless]] creatures that it has been creating. We therefore know that Woodcarvers takes place after [[The Silvermine Mountains]].
3.
# [[Kobold Headhunters]] is set after [[The Sunswords]] and because [[Burrito]] is seen referring to Jakelad's Kobold song (which he created in The Sunswords) as a "classic".
4.
# In [[The Zarlin Catacombs]], [[Sergio Fabioso]] had a copy of the famous [[Boyfriend Quest]], which he gave to [[Morgana Marie]]. Boyfriend Quest was being written in [[Sunswords]] by the Elf [[Dave]]. Because of this, it is canon that Sunswords comes before The Zarlin Catacombs.
# In [[Unexpected Discovery]], a Kobold Bromas appears, who is starting to accept his change into a Kobold Bromas also met his fate in this campaign. Bromas was changed into a Kobold in [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]. With this in mind, we know that [[Unexpected Discovery]] takes place after [[The Sunswords]], [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]], and [[The Zarlin Catacombs]].
5.
# In [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]], multiple characters reference [[Dave]]'s book, [[Boyfriend Quest]]. As it was still being written in [[The Sunswords]], Okagnoma Guild Hall must come after that.
# In [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]], a few moments after the group of students teleport into the cave, the mercenary group from [[The Blood Snake Queen]] commences their tower manoeuvre, ultimately failing before they retreat. With this information, we know that the third encounter of Okagnoma Guild Hall happens during the final encounter of The Blood Snake Queen.
6.
# In [[Murder Bros]], [[Dave]] is killed, placing the campaign after his appearance in [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]].
7.
# In [[Battle of the Bards]], while the [[List of Organizations#The Future Winners||Future Winners]] are battling Marcel the Mime, Vanessa starts singing the "Fuck the Kobolds" song that [[Jakelad]] created in [[Sunswords]] with the help of [[Kallark]]. With this information, we now know that Battle of the Bards is after Sunswords.
8.
# In [[The Cobblers]], [[Reginald Barringster III]] has his mind made blank by [[Borris Cobbler]], allowing for him to become twisted by [[Flesh Monstrosity#The Cobblers|Legion]] to eventually betray [[Virgo Sunsword]] and his comrades during [[The Death of Virgo]].
9.
# In [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]] campaign, we see [[Morgana Marie]] talking to an Elf named J.J. about various artifacts, and eventually they start talking about The Zarlin Catacombs. J.J. then tells Morgana that some Paladins are going into the Catacombs to search through it. Morgana managed to convince J.J. with a bag of gold that she is apart of said Paladin group as a tourist.
# In [[Unexpected Discovery]], a Kobold Bromas appears, who is starting to accept his change into a Kobold Bromas also met his fate in this campaign. Bromas was changed into a Kobold in [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]. With this in mind, we know that [[Unexpected Discovery]] takes place after [[The Sunswords]], [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]], and [[The Zarlin Catacombs]].

==Theories==

=== Theory for Sunswords to be before Roamin's Band of Thieves ===
[[Gwyneth Sunsword]] mentions whilst she has a baby her desire to go and spend some time with some [[Sun Cleric]]s. She, however, loses the baby, so likely did not do this straight after [[Sunswords]]. Gwyneth does do this at some point, however, whether it be before or after Sunswords, and among them she spends time with [[Dave]]. Also in Sunswords and Roamin's Band of Thieves, Dave is not a captain, but in Porc Hunters he is. Promotion maybe, but also possibly a demotion so it does not prove anything.

=== Theory for Roamin's Band of Thieves to be after Porc Hunters ===
The time space between [[Sunswords]] and [[Porc Hunters]] has been proven to be very short, perhaps at most a couple a years. In this time Gwyneth would have to have a reason (ie. injury or baby) to leave the Sunswords and go live with some Sun Clerics. [[Dave]] would also have to have a reason for why he should leave and go with her. It is possible that then Dave left the Sunswords with Gwyneth and went to live with Sun Clerics as Gwyneth broke up with [[Xavius]] and started going out with [[Dave]] as Gwyneth said in Sunswords that Dave would be her next boyfirend so there is a possible relationship there. It is possible, therefore, that Gwyneth is dating Dave in Porc Hunters (whilst they are both part of the Sunswords taking prisoners to the [[Silver Mine Mountains]]), which would explain why [[Ca-Rell]] asked Dave how Gwyneth is. Dave and Gwyneth were dating the party was split at the time with Gwyneth leading one expedition and Gwyneth's number two who would obviously be Dave when you consider how she treats [[Kallark]] in Sunswords leading another. Dave then gets Gwyneth pregnant and they leave the Sunswords to go to live with some Sun Clerics. During [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]] Gwyneth is pregnant with Dave's child and then afterwards she gives birth. This would mean that Roamin's Band of Thieves happens a non-specific time after Porc Hunters.

=== Theory for Porc Hunters to be after Roamin's Band of Thieves ===

==== Theory 1 ====
It is commonly believed that [[Porc Hunters]] happened after [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]], due to the elf, [[Dave]] being present during both campaigns and stating about a "band of thieves connected to the prisoner Kobold" event happening to [[Gwyneth Sunsword|Gwyneth Sunsword's]] Sunblades. However the prisoner kobold was [[Chimera]], not [[Philhipé]] nor was it stated that the thieves where gnomes and a dwarf. It should be noted that it was also said that the thieves were conected to the Kobold in the prison wagon (ie Chimera) however there is no evidence that Roamin's band of thieves ever met or had even heard of Chimera.

==== Theory 2 ====
Another theory states that since Dave is not a captain in either Sunswords or Band of Thieves, but is a captain in Porc Hunters, and since it is already known that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters due to Phineas joining Theta Squad at the end of Porc Hunters, then (using Occam's Razor) it is most likely that Dave was promoted/demoted to Captain after both Sunswords and Band of Thieves, rather than promoted and then suddenly demoted (or vice versa). Thus, Roamin's Band of Thieves most likely predates Porc Hunters.

=== Theories explaining how Kinney Boots acquired Lieutenant Surge from Ca-Rell===

==== Theory 1 ====
[[Kinney Boots]] stole from, or killed, [[Ca-Rell]] to obtain the enchanted mace.

==== Theory 2 ====
[[Merci]] is actually [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Porco|Porco]] from [[Ca-Rell|Ca-Rell's]] cave of Porcs and that Porco, after being named, began to grow in pride. He educated himself and eventually betrayed Ca-Rell, greedy for power and stole Lieutenant Surge. He left the cave and renamed himself Merci. He then went on to seek his fortune as a pirate captain. After Kinney joins the crew and Porco, now Merci, starts using an anchor as a weapon Merci gives Kinney Lieutenant Surge as a gift since they are dating (thought because Merci was in his cabin for 13 days and Kinney's coat was also in Merci's cabin). This would mean that The Jewel of the Dingo Isles occurs many years after Porc Hunters.

This theory is currently very unlikely because of [[Phineas Barringster|Phineas]] appearing as a young child in both [[Porc Hunters]] and [[The New Crew]], which means that the time between these campaigns is likely not more than a few years.

==== Theory 3 ====

In the card description for the [[Treasures#Bewitching_Mirror|Bewitching Mirror]], it says that if the mirror is destroyed, the person trapped in it is released. If the mirror broke at the end of [[Porc Hunters]], then [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Porco|Porco]] could have escaped from the mirror and killed [[Ca-Rell]], explaining how the mace left Ca-Rell's possession. At some point after this, [[Kinney Boots]] found and/or stole the mace, thus why she owned it in [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]].

===Theories Regarding Kobold Headhunters===

==== Theory 1 ====
The first encounter of [[Kobold Headhunters]] is set during the final encounter of [[The Unseen Rogues]] because [[Neena]] appears out of [[Romulus|Romulus']] [[Vampire Locket]] and is required to clean her [[Nobleborn Knife]] before leaving use it to finish the final encounter in [[The Unseen Rogues]]. This is unconfirmed because it is unclear how the [[Vampire Locket]] works.

==== Theory 2 ====
[[Kobold Headhunters]] takes place years after [[The Unseen Rogues]], because [[Romulus]] mentions that his ancestor (which he never decides on the number of "great"s for) was killed by someone, and the killing is not implied to have been very recent. In The Unseen Rogues, he comes out of the [[Vampire Locket]] and tries to take revenge on [[Omally]], the person who supposedly killed his ancestor. Omally specifically mentions that the kobold attacking him is supposed to be dead, likely referring to Romulus's ancestor. However, it is unlikely that Omally would mistake an old man kobold for a different adult Kobold aside from a passing family resemblance, leading to the possibility that Romulus comes from some point in the future.

==== Theory 3 ====
''Note: this is not technically a theory, but it has been thought to make the events of The Silvermine Mountains and Kobold Headhunters have a canonical order in past, so it should be kept to explain why it doesn't.''

During [[The Silvermine Mountains]] campaign [[Gwyneth Sunsword]] discusses with the other elves how they are the superior race. She mentions that elves have the responsibility to look after the lesser races for the lesser races' own good. As an example of this she mentions in passing how they looked after the inhabitants of [[Karazzim]]. This means they either the elves have done something in the town of Karazzim at some point, but this does not necessarily put [[Kobold Headhunters]] before or after [[The Silvermine Mountains]]. It is thought that the elves may have either established the town, or came in after the town was established and influenced it somehow.

===Theory that New Crew is before Band of Thieves===

==== Theory 1 ====
In [[The New Crew]], [[Ladyir]] simply finds the key within a desk, virtually unguarded. It could be that after [[Merci|Merci's]] crew failed to retrieve the key for [[Nisovin]], the Elves realized that the keys were important for some reason. They then entrusted [[Gwyneth]] to wear the key around her neck at all times while they researched what the key was used for. Nisovin, seeing that an outright assault on the elves failed to get the key, hires [[Yumi]] to take it by stealth.

''This is rather unlikely, since [[Porc Hunters]] and [[Murder Bros]] both happen within a short time of each other, with [[Dave]] leading [[Chimera]] to the [[Silvermine_Mountains_(Location)|Silvermine Mountains]] in both campaigns and dying in the second. Porc Hunters happens before [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], and [[The New Crew]] happens a full year after The Jewel of the Dingo Isles, meaning that if [[Band of Thieves]] happened after The New Crew, it would likely happen over a year after Dave's death in Murder Bros, and thus would create a paradox.''

==== Theory 2 ====
Rob mentioned in The New Crew behind the scenes video that there are multiple keys. So it could be that the keys within these two campaigns are different ones entirely.

===Theory that Band of Thieves is before New Crew ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]], [[Nisovin]] has to be pressed for him to reveal what the key looks like. He eventually describes it as orange and glowing but when it seems like the thieves might try to trick him, he immediately warns "Don't just cover a key with tang and bring it back to me!". In [[The New Crew]] when Nisovin gives [[Merci]] the mission, he describes the key as "tang colored". It could be reasoned that Nisovin only thought about it being "tang colored" after his original warning to the thieves. This may also be the reason why [[Fenrus]] was weaker in New Crew then in Band of Thieves, because he was still recovering from the previous battle.

==== Theory 2 ====
Nisovin hired [[Yumi]] and her band of Thieves to sneak into the Temple of the Fallen Sun and steal the key originally. However, when they failed the key was moved to a more secure location on the remote island of [[Laeyuleaugh]] where the Sunswords had a summer home. With the key only reachable by sea, Nisovin then hired the crew of the [[Bocoe]], who had, in [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], already proven themselves before to him, to try to steal the key once more.

=== Theory that Unseen Rogues is before Band of Thieves ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In Unseen Rogues when [[Neena Brando]] uses [[Puppeteer#Lascene|Lascene]], [[Squinks]] gets a copy from his [[Treasures#Spellwall_Armor | Spellwall Armor]]. Then, in Roamin's Band of Thieves, Squinks gives his spellwall armour to [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Nessie|Nessie]] in order to cross the bridge. Note that this is very weak evidence, as Squinks could easily have gotten another spellwall armour after giving his old one to Nessie.

==== Theory 2 - ''Note: non-canon'' ====
There was a possibility that [[K4]] would appear in Unseen Rogues instead of [[Squinks]], as any of the four player characters from Roamin's Band of Thieves could have appeared. Since we know that K4 went to live with the monkey fish king after RBoT we can safely assume that RBoT occurs after Unseen Rogues, however this is not true. K4 could easily have left the monkey fish king to join a band of thieves.

=== Theory that Band of Thieves is before Unseen Rogues ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In [[Band of Thieves]], [[Squinks]] starts showing contempt for [[Yumi]], since all of Yumi's plans are the same. He ends up betraying the party, and only rejoins [[Yumi]] while escaping the Sunsword Village. It's unlikely the two would stay together for very long, so it's possible that Squinks left Yumi's band of thieves and ended up in the band of thieves fought in [[Unseen Rogues]].

===Theory that Guild of Explorers is before Battle of the Bards===
During [[List of Organizations|The Future Winner's]] first round of performances at [[Battle of the Bards]] competition, while against Marcel the Mime [[Vanessa Squishwitz]], thanks to the help of [[Popo]] and [[Gear Man]] was covered in a sprinkle of fire and ice. [[Rob]], in an out of character sense, asked if [[Patrick Cake]] from [[Guild of Explorers]] was present in the audience. Rob then rolled, and got an 18. [[Deadbones]] then stated that a Gnome started screaming, implying that Patrick was in the crowd, but didn't explain any further. If that gnome was Patrick, this would be a PTSD attack of his. If he was present in the crowd, Guild of Explorers would be before Battle of the Bards.

== Possible Extended Timeline ==
Rob formerly confirmed in a tweet [https://twitter.com/urealms/status/557383763530088448] that UR Live takes place after Lords of Minecraft, and will be followed by Unforgotten Quest, and Dwarves vs. Zombies will be the apocalyptic end of the timeline. However, a more recent Reddit comment said URLive, DvZ, and LoM take place in separate universes.

[[Category:Gameplay Elements]]

Timeline

2016-09-28T19:05:30Z

168.91.255.100: /* Theory that New Crew is before Band of Thieves */

{{Spoilers}}
'''The Timeline''' of Unforgotten Realms Live is currently being constructed.

==Canon Confirmed Timeline==
1.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Porc Hunters]]
# [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]]
# [[The New Crew]]

2.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Porc Hunters]]
# [[Murder Bros]]
# [[The Silvermine Mountains]]
# [[Woodcarvers]]

3.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Kobold Headhunters]]

4.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]
# [[Unexpected Discovery]]

5.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[The Blood Snake Queen]]
# [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]]

6.
# [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]]
# [[Murder Bros]]

7.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Battle of the Bards]]

8.
# [[The Cobblers]]
# [[The Death of Virgo]]

9.
# [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]]
# [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]
# [[Unexpected Discovery]]

==Reasons why these Timelines are Canon==
'''IMPORTANT: There is currently no evidence that [[The Unseen Rogues]] and [[Kobold Headhunters]] occur at the same time. See the theories for more information.'''

1.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Phineas]] has yet to join [[List_of_Organizations#Theta Squad|Theta Squad]] or become a master [[Cabalist]]. He is still in training and knows no Cabalist skills. In [[Porc Hunters]], Phineas has become all of this and joins Theta Squad. This confirms that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters. The time between the two campaigns is likely only a few months or years as Phineas is a prepubescent child in both and in Sunswords he has already been referred to as a young adult so he is likely around 10 to 12 in human years.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Jakelad]] is still alive and seen working on the song "[[Fuck the Kobolds]]". In [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], he sings "Fuck the Kobolds" frequently until the point of his death. This confirms that Sunswords predates The Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# In [[The New Crew]], [[Kinney Boots]] leaves the crew, [[Jo Krysstal]] is killed, and most of the remaining crew (including [[Merci|Captain Merci]] and [[McCoy|first mate McCoy]]) are sent to the [[Silvermine Mountains]]. McCoy also starts The New Crew with his tentacle arm. Because of this, we know that The New Crew takes place after The Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# In [[The New Crew]], [[Phineas]] joins the crew. This time, he has his Cabalist powers and has begun to go insane from repeatedly using [[Cabalist#Blanket of Darkness|Blanket of Darkness]] on himself. Because of this, we know that The New Crew must take place after [[Porc Hunters]]. As a result of this, we also know that [[Ca-Rell]] must have had [[Lieutenant Surge]] before [[Kinney Boots]] acquired it. Because of this, we know that Porc Hunters also predates Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# While [[McCoy]] and [[Phineas]] pillage [[Laeyuleaugh]], Phineas points out that [[Pot Puppies]] only live a year before reverting to seeds. McCoy admits that [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Cooper|Cooper]] is on his last legs, but asserts he's still fit as ever. Based on this information, we can assume that [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]] takes place approximately 1 year before [[The New Crew]].
2.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Phineas]] has yet to join [[List_of_Organizations#Theta Squad|Theta Squad]] or become a master [[Cabalist]]. He is still in training and knows no Cabalist skills. In [[Porc Hunters]], Phineas has become all of this and joins Theta Squad. This confirms that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters. The time between the two campaigns is likely only a few months or years as Phineas is a prepubescent child in both and in Sunswords he has already been referred to as a young adult so he is likely around 10 to 12 in human years.
# In [[Murder Bros]], [[Dave]] is killed while taking [[Chimera]] to the [[Silvermine Mountains]], placing the campaign after his appearance in [[Porc Hunters]] and before the destruction of the Silvermine Mountains in [[The Silvermine Mountains]].
# In [[Woodcarvers]], [[Gwyneth Sunsword]] and [[Kallark]] appear to the Woodcarvers, telling them that they have been following the trail of [[Golestandt]] for two days, fighting the mindless [[Ageless]] creatures that it has been creating. We therefore know that Woodcarvers takes place after [[The Silvermine Mountains]].
3.
# [[Kobold Headhunters]] is set after [[The Sunswords]] and because [[Burrito]] is seen referring to Jakelad's Kobold song (which he created in The Sunswords) as a "classic".
4.
# In [[The Zarlin Catacombs]], [[Sergio Fabioso]] had a copy of the famous [[Boyfriend Quest]], which he gave to [[Morgana Marie]]. Boyfriend Quest was being written in [[Sunswords]] by the Elf [[Dave]]. Because of this, it is canon that Sunswords comes before The Zarlin Catacombs.
# In [[Unexpected Discovery]], a Kobold Bromas appears, who is starting to accept his change into a Kobold Bromas also met his fate in this campaign. Bromas was changed into a Kobold in [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]. With this in mind, we know that [[Unexpected Discovery]] takes place after [[The Sunswords]], [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]], and [[The Zarlin Catacombs]].
5.
# In [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]], multiple characters reference [[Dave]]'s book, [[Boyfriend Quest]]. As it was still being written in [[The Sunswords]], Okagnoma Guild Hall must come after that.
# In [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]], a few moments after the group of students teleport into the cave, the mercenary group from [[The Blood Snake Queen]] commences their tower manoeuvre, ultimately failing before they retreat. With this information, we know that the third encounter of Okagnoma Guild Hall happens during the final encounter of The Blood Snake Queen.
6.
# In [[Murder Bros]], [[Dave]] is killed, placing the campaign after his appearance in [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]].
7.
# In [[Battle of the Bards]], while the [[List of Organizations#The Future Winners||Future Winners]] are battling Marcel the Mime, Vanessa starts singing the "Fuck the Kobolds" song that [[Jakelad]] created in [[Sunswords]] with the help of [[Kallark]]. With this information, we now know that Battle of the Bards is after Sunswords.
8.
# In [[The Cobblers]], [[Reginald Barringster III]] has his mind made blank by [[Borris Cobbler]], allowing for him to become twisted by [[Flesh Monstrosity#The Cobblers|Legion]] to eventually betray [[Virgo Sunsword]] and his comrades during [[The Death of Virgo]].
9.
# In [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]] campaign, we see [[Morgana Marie]] talking to an Elf named J.J. about various artifacts, and eventually they start talking about The Zarlin Catacombs. J.J. then tells Morgana that some Paladins are going into the Catacombs to search through it. Morgana managed to convince J.J. with a bag of gold that she is apart of said Paladin group as a tourist.
# In [[Unexpected Discovery]], a Kobold Bromas appears, who is starting to accept his change into a Kobold Bromas also met his fate in this campaign. Bromas was changed into a Kobold in [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]. With this in mind, we know that [[Unexpected Discovery]] takes place after [[The Sunswords]], [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]], and [[The Zarlin Catacombs]].

==Theories==

=== Theory for Sunswords to be before Roamin's Band of Thieves ===
[[Gwyneth Sunsword]] mentions whilst she has a baby her desire to go and spend some time with some [[Sun Cleric]]s. She, however, loses the baby, so likely did not do this straight after [[Sunswords]]. Gwyneth does do this at some point, however, whether it be before or after Sunswords, and among them she spends time with [[Dave]]. Also in Sunswords and Roamin's Band of Thieves, Dave is not a captain, but in Porc Hunters he is. Promotion maybe, but also possibly a demotion so it does not prove anything.

=== Theory for Roamin's Band of Thieves to be after Porc Hunters ===
The time space between [[Sunswords]] and [[Porc Hunters]] has been proven to be very short, perhaps at most a couple a years. In this time Gwyneth would have to have a reason (ie. injury or baby) to leave the Sunswords and go live with some Sun Clerics. [[Dave]] would also have to have a reason for why he should leave and go with her. It is possible that then Dave left the Sunswords with Gwyneth and went to live with Sun Clerics as Gwyneth broke up with [[Xavius]] and started going out with [[Dave]] as Gwyneth said in Sunswords that Dave would be her next boyfirend so there is a possible relationship there. It is possible, therefore, that Gwyneth is dating Dave in Porc Hunters (whilst they are both part of the Sunswords taking prisoners to the [[Silver Mine Mountains]]), which would explain why [[Ca-Rell]] asked Dave how Gwyneth is. Dave and Gwyneth were dating the party was split at the time with Gwyneth leading one expedition and Gwyneth's number two who would obviously be Dave when you consider how she treats [[Kallark]] in Sunswords leading another. Dave then gets Gwyneth pregnant and they leave the Sunswords to go to live with some Sun Clerics. During [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]] Gwyneth is pregnant with Dave's child and then afterwards she gives birth. This would mean that Roamin's Band of Thieves happens a non-specific time after Porc Hunters.

=== Theory for Porc Hunters to be after Roamin's Band of Thieves ===

==== Theory 1 ====
It is commonly believed that [[Porc Hunters]] happened after [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]], due to the elf, [[Dave]] being present during both campaigns and stating about a "band of thieves connected to the prisoner Kobold" event happening to [[Gwyneth Sunsword|Gwyneth Sunsword's]] Sunblades. However the prisoner kobold was [[Chimera]], not [[Philhipé]] nor was it stated that the thieves where gnomes and a dwarf. It should be noted that it was also said that the thieves were conected to the Kobold in the prison wagon (ie Chimera) however there is no evidence that Roamin's band of thieves ever met or had even heard of Chimera.

==== Theory 2 ====
Another theory states that since Dave is not a captain in either Sunswords or Band of Thieves, but is a captain in Porc Hunters, and since it is already known that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters due to Phineas joining Theta Squad at the end of Porc Hunters, then (using Occam's Razor) it is most likely that Dave was promoted/demoted to Captain after both Sunswords and Band of Thieves, rather than promoted and then suddenly demoted (or vice versa). Thus, Roamin's Band of Thieves most likely predates Porc Hunters.

=== Theories explaining how Kinney Boots acquired Lieutenant Surge from Ca-Rell===

==== Theory 1 ====
[[Kinney Boots]] stole from, or killed, [[Ca-Rell]] to obtain the enchanted mace.

==== Theory 2 ====
[[Merci]] is actually [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Porco|Porco]] from [[Ca-Rell|Ca-Rell's]] cave of Porcs and that Porco, after being named, began to grow in pride. He educated himself and eventually betrayed Ca-Rell, greedy for power and stole Lieutenant Surge. He left the cave and renamed himself Merci. He then went on to seek his fortune as a pirate captain. After Kinney joins the crew and Porco, now Merci, starts using an anchor as a weapon Merci gives Kinney Lieutenant Surge as a gift since they are dating (thought because Merci was in his cabin for 13 days and Kinney's coat was also in Merci's cabin). This would mean that The Jewel of the Dingo Isles occurs many years after Porc Hunters.

This theory is currently very unlikely because of [[Phineas Barringster|Phineas]] appearing as a young child in both [[Porc Hunters]] and [[The New Crew]], which means that the time between these campaigns is likely not more than a few years.

==== Theory 3 ====

In the card description for the [[Treasures#Bewitching_Mirror|Bewitching Mirror]], it says that if the mirror is destroyed, the person trapped in it is released. If the mirror broke at the end of [[Porc Hunters]], then [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Porco|Porco]] could have escaped from the mirror and killed [[Ca-Rell]], explaining how the mace left Ca-Rell's possession. At some point after this, [[Kinney Boots]] found and/or stole the mace, thus why she owned it in [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]].

===Theories Regarding Kobold Headhunters===

==== Theory 1 ====
The first encounter of [[Kobold Headhunters]] is set during the final encounter of [[The Unseen Rogues]] because [[Neena]] appears out of [[Romulus|Romulus']] [[Vampire Locket]] and is required to clean her [[Nobleborn Knife]] before leaving use it to finish the final encounter in [[The Unseen Rogues]]. This is unconfirmed because it is unclear how the [[Vampire Locket]] works.

==== Theory 2 ====
[[Kobold Headhunters]] takes place years after [[The Unseen Rogues]], because [[Romulus]] mentions that his ancestor (which he never decides on the number of "great"s for) was killed by someone, and the killing is not implied to have been very recent. In The Unseen Rogues, he comes out of the [[Vampire Locket]] and tries to take revenge on [[Omally]], the person who supposedly killed his ancestor. Omally specifically mentions that the kobold attacking him is supposed to be dead, likely referring to Romulus's ancestor. However, it is unlikely that Omally would mistake an old man kobold for a different adult Kobold aside from a passing family resemblance, leading to the possibility that Romulus comes from some point in the future.

==== Theory 3 ====
''Note: this is not technically a theory, but it has been thought to make the events of The Silvermine Mountains and Kobold Headhunters have a canonical order in past, so it should be kept to explain why it doesn't.''

During [[The Silvermine Mountains]] campaign [[Gwyneth Sunsword]] discusses with the other elves how they are the superior race. She mentions that elves have the responsibility to look after the lesser races for the lesser races' own good. As an example of this she mentions in passing how they looked after the inhabitants of [[Karazzim]]. This means they either the elves have done something in the town of Karazzim at some point, but this does not necessarily put [[Kobold Headhunters]] before or after [[The Silvermine Mountains]]. It is thought that the elves may have either established the town, or came in after the town was established and influenced it somehow.

===Theory that New Crew is before Band of Thieves===

==== Theory 1 ====
In [[The New Crew]], [[Ladyir]] simply finds the key within a desk, virtually unguarded. It could be that after [[Merci|Merci's]] crew failed to retrieve the key for [[Nisovin]], the Elves realized that the keys were important for some reason. They then entrusted [[Gwyneth]] to wear the key around her neck at all times while they researched what the key was used for. Nisovin, seeing that an outright assault on the elves failed to get the key, hires [[Yumi]] to take it by stealth.

''This is rather unlikely, since [[Porc Hunters]] and [[Murder Bros]] both happen within a short time of each other, with [[Dave]] leading [[Chimera]] to the [[Silvermine_Mountains_(Location)|Silvermine Mountains]] in both campaigns and dying in the second. Porc Hunters happens before [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], and [[The New Crew]] happens a full year after The Jewel of the Dingo Isles, meaning that if [[Band of Thieves]] happened after The New Crew, it would likely happen over a year after Dave's death in Murder Bros, and thus would create a paradox.''

==== Theory 2 ====
Rob mentioned in The New Crew behind the scenes video that there are multiple keys. So it could be that the keys within these two campaigns are different ones entirely.

===Theory that Band of Thieves is before New Crew ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]], [[Nisovin]] has to be pressed for him to reveal what the key looks like. He eventually describes it as orange and glowing but when it seems like the thieves might try to trick him, he immediately warns "Don't just cover a key with tang and bring it back to me!". In [[The New Crew]] when Nisovin gives [[Merci]] the mission, he describes the key as "tang colored". It could be reasoned that Nisovin only thought about it being "tang colored" after his original warning to the thieves. This may also be the reason why [[Fenrus]] was weaker in New Crew then in Band of Thieves, because he was still recovering from the previous battle.

==== Theory 2 ====
Nisovin hired [[Yumi]] and her band of Thieves to sneak into the Temple of the Fallen Sun and steal the key originally. However, when they failed the key was moved to a more secure location on the remote island of [[Laeyuleaugh]] where the Sunswords had a summer home. With the key only reachable by sea, Nisovin then hired the crew of the [[Bocoe]], who had, in [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], already proven themselves before to him, to try to steal the key once more.

=== Theory that Unseen Rogues is before Roamin's Band of Thieves ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In Unseen Rogues when [[Neena Brando]] uses [[Puppeteer#Lascene|Lascene]], [[Squinks]] gets a copy from his [[Treasures#Spellwall_Armor | Spellwall Armor]]. Then, in Roamin's Band of Thieves, Squinks gives his spellwall armour to [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Nessie|Nessie]] in order to cross the bridge. Note that this is very weak evidence, as Squinks could easily have gotten another spellwall armour after giving his old one to Nessie.

==== Theory 2 - ''Note: non-canon'' ====
There was a possibility that [[K4]] would appear in Unseen Rogues instead of [[Squinks]], as any of the four player characters from Roamin's Band of Thieves could have appeared. Since we know that K4 went to live with the monkey fish king after RBoT we can safely assume that RBoT occurs after Unseen Rogues, however this is not true. It may be so convenient, but K4 could easily have left the monkey fish king to join a band of thieves for a while, and then came back later for [[The Many Gobos of Pat]], or have stayed long enough for TMGoP and left afterwards.

===Theory that Guild of Explorers is before Battle of the Bards===
During [[List of Organizations|The Future Winner's]] first round of performances at [[Battle of the Bards]] competition, while against Marcel the Mime [[Vanessa Squishwitz]], thanks to the help of [[Popo]] and [[Gear Man]] was covered in a sprinkle of fire and ice. [[Rob]], in an out of character sense, asked if [[Patrick Cake]] from [[Guild of Explorers]] was present in the audience. Rob then rolled, and got an 18. [[Deadbones]] then stated that a Gnome started screaming, implying that Patrick was in the crowd, but didn't explain any further. If that gnome was Patrick, this would be a PTSD attack of his. If he was present in the crowd, Guild of Explorers would be before Battle of the Bards.

== Possible Extended Timeline ==
Rob formerly confirmed in a tweet [https://twitter.com/urealms/status/557383763530088448] that UR Live takes place after Lords of Minecraft, and will be followed by Unforgotten Quest, and Dwarves vs. Zombies will be the apocalyptic end of the timeline. However, a more recent Reddit comment said URLive, DvZ, and LoM take place in separate universes.

[[Category:Gameplay Elements]]

Timeline

2016-09-28T18:55:11Z

168.91.255.100: /* Theory 3 */

{{Spoilers}}
'''The Timeline''' of Unforgotten Realms Live is currently being constructed.

==Canon Confirmed Timeline==
1.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Porc Hunters]]
# [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]]
# [[The New Crew]]

2.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Porc Hunters]]
# [[Murder Bros]]
# [[The Silvermine Mountains]]
# [[Woodcarvers]]

3.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Kobold Headhunters]]

4.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]
# [[Unexpected Discovery]]

5.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[The Blood Snake Queen]]
# [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]]

6.
# [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]]
# [[Murder Bros]]

7.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Battle of the Bards]]

8.
# [[The Cobblers]]
# [[The Death of Virgo]]

9.
# [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]]
# [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]
# [[Unexpected Discovery]]

==Reasons why these Timelines are Canon==
'''IMPORTANT: There is currently no evidence that [[The Unseen Rogues]] and [[Kobold Headhunters]] occur at the same time. See the theories for more information.'''

1.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Phineas]] has yet to join [[List_of_Organizations#Theta Squad|Theta Squad]] or become a master [[Cabalist]]. He is still in training and knows no Cabalist skills. In [[Porc Hunters]], Phineas has become all of this and joins Theta Squad. This confirms that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters. The time between the two campaigns is likely only a few months or years as Phineas is a prepubescent child in both and in Sunswords he has already been referred to as a young adult so he is likely around 10 to 12 in human years.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Jakelad]] is still alive and seen working on the song "[[Fuck the Kobolds]]". In [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], he sings "Fuck the Kobolds" frequently until the point of his death. This confirms that Sunswords predates The Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# In [[The New Crew]], [[Kinney Boots]] leaves the crew, [[Jo Krysstal]] is killed, and most of the remaining crew (including [[Merci|Captain Merci]] and [[McCoy|first mate McCoy]]) are sent to the [[Silvermine Mountains]]. McCoy also starts The New Crew with his tentacle arm. Because of this, we know that The New Crew takes place after The Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# In [[The New Crew]], [[Phineas]] joins the crew. This time, he has his Cabalist powers and has begun to go insane from repeatedly using [[Cabalist#Blanket of Darkness|Blanket of Darkness]] on himself. Because of this, we know that The New Crew must take place after [[Porc Hunters]]. As a result of this, we also know that [[Ca-Rell]] must have had [[Lieutenant Surge]] before [[Kinney Boots]] acquired it. Because of this, we know that Porc Hunters also predates Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# While [[McCoy]] and [[Phineas]] pillage [[Laeyuleaugh]], Phineas points out that [[Pot Puppies]] only live a year before reverting to seeds. McCoy admits that [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Cooper|Cooper]] is on his last legs, but asserts he's still fit as ever. Based on this information, we can assume that [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]] takes place approximately 1 year before [[The New Crew]].
2.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Phineas]] has yet to join [[List_of_Organizations#Theta Squad|Theta Squad]] or become a master [[Cabalist]]. He is still in training and knows no Cabalist skills. In [[Porc Hunters]], Phineas has become all of this and joins Theta Squad. This confirms that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters. The time between the two campaigns is likely only a few months or years as Phineas is a prepubescent child in both and in Sunswords he has already been referred to as a young adult so he is likely around 10 to 12 in human years.
# In [[Murder Bros]], [[Dave]] is killed while taking [[Chimera]] to the [[Silvermine Mountains]], placing the campaign after his appearance in [[Porc Hunters]] and before the destruction of the Silvermine Mountains in [[The Silvermine Mountains]].
# In [[Woodcarvers]], [[Gwyneth Sunsword]] and [[Kallark]] appear to the Woodcarvers, telling them that they have been following the trail of [[Golestandt]] for two days, fighting the mindless [[Ageless]] creatures that it has been creating. We therefore know that Woodcarvers takes place after [[The Silvermine Mountains]].
3.
# [[Kobold Headhunters]] is set after [[The Sunswords]] and because [[Burrito]] is seen referring to Jakelad's Kobold song (which he created in The Sunswords) as a "classic".
4.
# In [[The Zarlin Catacombs]], [[Sergio Fabioso]] had a copy of the famous [[Boyfriend Quest]], which he gave to [[Morgana Marie]]. Boyfriend Quest was being written in [[Sunswords]] by the Elf [[Dave]]. Because of this, it is canon that Sunswords comes before The Zarlin Catacombs.
# In [[Unexpected Discovery]], a Kobold Bromas appears, who is starting to accept his change into a Kobold Bromas also met his fate in this campaign. Bromas was changed into a Kobold in [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]. With this in mind, we know that [[Unexpected Discovery]] takes place after [[The Sunswords]], [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]], and [[The Zarlin Catacombs]].
5.
# In [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]], multiple characters reference [[Dave]]'s book, [[Boyfriend Quest]]. As it was still being written in [[The Sunswords]], Okagnoma Guild Hall must come after that.
# In [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]], a few moments after the group of students teleport into the cave, the mercenary group from [[The Blood Snake Queen]] commences their tower manoeuvre, ultimately failing before they retreat. With this information, we know that the third encounter of Okagnoma Guild Hall happens during the final encounter of The Blood Snake Queen.
6.
# In [[Murder Bros]], [[Dave]] is killed, placing the campaign after his appearance in [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]].
7.
# In [[Battle of the Bards]], while the [[List of Organizations#The Future Winners||Future Winners]] are battling Marcel the Mime, Vanessa starts singing the "Fuck the Kobolds" song that [[Jakelad]] created in [[Sunswords]] with the help of [[Kallark]]. With this information, we now know that Battle of the Bards is after Sunswords.
8.
# In [[The Cobblers]], [[Reginald Barringster III]] has his mind made blank by [[Borris Cobbler]], allowing for him to become twisted by [[Flesh Monstrosity#The Cobblers|Legion]] to eventually betray [[Virgo Sunsword]] and his comrades during [[The Death of Virgo]].
9.
# In [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]] campaign, we see [[Morgana Marie]] talking to an Elf named J.J. about various artifacts, and eventually they start talking about The Zarlin Catacombs. J.J. then tells Morgana that some Paladins are going into the Catacombs to search through it. Morgana managed to convince J.J. with a bag of gold that she is apart of said Paladin group as a tourist.
# In [[Unexpected Discovery]], a Kobold Bromas appears, who is starting to accept his change into a Kobold Bromas also met his fate in this campaign. Bromas was changed into a Kobold in [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]. With this in mind, we know that [[Unexpected Discovery]] takes place after [[The Sunswords]], [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]], and [[The Zarlin Catacombs]].

==Theories==

=== Theory for Sunswords to be before Roamin's Band of Thieves ===
[[Gwyneth Sunsword]] mentions whilst she has a baby her desire to go and spend some time with some [[Sun Cleric]]s. She, however, loses the baby, so likely did not do this straight after [[Sunswords]]. Gwyneth does do this at some point, however, whether it be before or after Sunswords, and among them she spends time with [[Dave]]. Also in Sunswords and Roamin's Band of Thieves, Dave is not a captain, but in Porc Hunters he is. Promotion maybe, but also possibly a demotion so it does not prove anything.

=== Theory for Roamin's Band of Thieves to be after Porc Hunters ===
The time space between [[Sunswords]] and [[Porc Hunters]] has been proven to be very short, perhaps at most a couple a years. In this time Gwyneth would have to have a reason (ie. injury or baby) to leave the Sunswords and go live with some Sun Clerics. [[Dave]] would also have to have a reason for why he should leave and go with her. It is possible that then Dave left the Sunswords with Gwyneth and went to live with Sun Clerics as Gwyneth broke up with [[Xavius]] and started going out with [[Dave]] as Gwyneth said in Sunswords that Dave would be her next boyfirend so there is a possible relationship there. It is possible, therefore, that Gwyneth is dating Dave in Porc Hunters (whilst they are both part of the Sunswords taking prisoners to the [[Silver Mine Mountains]]), which would explain why [[Ca-Rell]] asked Dave how Gwyneth is. Dave and Gwyneth were dating the party was split at the time with Gwyneth leading one expedition and Gwyneth's number two who would obviously be Dave when you consider how she treats [[Kallark]] in Sunswords leading another. Dave then gets Gwyneth pregnant and they leave the Sunswords to go to live with some Sun Clerics. During [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]] Gwyneth is pregnant with Dave's child and then afterwards she gives birth. This would mean that Roamin's Band of Thieves happens a non-specific time after Porc Hunters.

=== Theory for Porc Hunters to be after Roamin's Band of Thieves ===

==== Theory 1 ====
It is commonly believed that [[Porc Hunters]] happened after [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]], due to the elf, [[Dave]] being present during both campaigns and stating about a "band of thieves connected to the prisoner Kobold" event happening to [[Gwyneth Sunsword|Gwyneth Sunsword's]] Sunblades. However the prisoner kobold was [[Chimera]], not [[Philhipé]] nor was it stated that the thieves where gnomes and a dwarf. It should be noted that it was also said that the thieves were conected to the Kobold in the prison wagon (ie Chimera) however there is no evidence that Roamin's band of thieves ever met or had even heard of Chimera.

==== Theory 2 ====
Another theory states that since Dave is not a captain in either Sunswords or Band of Thieves, but is a captain in Porc Hunters, and since it is already known that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters due to Phineas joining Theta Squad at the end of Porc Hunters, then (using Occam's Razor) it is most likely that Dave was promoted/demoted to Captain after both Sunswords and Band of Thieves, rather than promoted and then suddenly demoted (or vice versa). Thus, Roamin's Band of Thieves most likely predates Porc Hunters.

=== Theories explaining how Kinney Boots acquired Lieutenant Surge from Ca-Rell===

==== Theory 1 ====
[[Kinney Boots]] stole from, or killed, [[Ca-Rell]] to obtain the enchanted mace.

==== Theory 2 ====
[[Merci]] is actually [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Porco|Porco]] from [[Ca-Rell|Ca-Rell's]] cave of Porcs and that Porco, after being named, began to grow in pride. He educated himself and eventually betrayed Ca-Rell, greedy for power and stole Lieutenant Surge. He left the cave and renamed himself Merci. He then went on to seek his fortune as a pirate captain. After Kinney joins the crew and Porco, now Merci, starts using an anchor as a weapon Merci gives Kinney Lieutenant Surge as a gift since they are dating (thought because Merci was in his cabin for 13 days and Kinney's coat was also in Merci's cabin). This would mean that The Jewel of the Dingo Isles occurs many years after Porc Hunters.

This theory is currently very unlikely because of [[Phineas Barringster|Phineas]] appearing as a young child in both [[Porc Hunters]] and [[The New Crew]], which means that the time between these campaigns is likely not more than a few years.

==== Theory 3 ====

In the card description for the [[Treasures#Bewitching_Mirror|Bewitching Mirror]], it says that if the mirror is destroyed, the person trapped in it is released. If the mirror broke at the end of [[Porc Hunters]], then [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Porco|Porco]] could have escaped from the mirror and killed [[Ca-Rell]], explaining how the mace left Ca-Rell's possession. At some point after this, [[Kinney Boots]] found and/or stole the mace, thus why she owned it in [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]].

===Theories Regarding Kobold Headhunters===

==== Theory 1 ====
The first encounter of [[Kobold Headhunters]] is set during the final encounter of [[The Unseen Rogues]] because [[Neena]] appears out of [[Romulus|Romulus']] [[Vampire Locket]] and is required to clean her [[Nobleborn Knife]] before leaving use it to finish the final encounter in [[The Unseen Rogues]]. This is unconfirmed because it is unclear how the [[Vampire Locket]] works.

==== Theory 2 ====
[[Kobold Headhunters]] takes place years after [[The Unseen Rogues]], because [[Romulus]] mentions that his ancestor (which he never decides on the number of "great"s for) was killed by someone, and the killing is not implied to have been very recent. In The Unseen Rogues, he comes out of the [[Vampire Locket]] and tries to take revenge on [[Omally]], the person who supposedly killed his ancestor. Omally specifically mentions that the kobold attacking him is supposed to be dead, likely referring to Romulus's ancestor. However, it is unlikely that Omally would mistake an old man kobold for a different adult Kobold aside from a passing family resemblance, leading to the possibility that Romulus comes from some point in the future.

==== Theory 3 ====
''Note: this is not technically a theory, but it has been thought to make the events of The Silvermine Mountains and Kobold Headhunters have a canonical order in past, so it should be kept to explain why it doesn't.''

During [[The Silvermine Mountains]] campaign [[Gwyneth Sunsword]] discusses with the other elves how they are the superior race. She mentions that elves have the responsibility to look after the lesser races for the lesser races' own good. As an example of this she mentions in passing how they looked after the inhabitants of [[Karazzim]]. This means they either the elves have done something in the town of Karazzim at some point, but this does not necessarily put [[Kobold Headhunters]] before or after [[The Silvermine Mountains]]. It is thought that the elves may have either established the town, or came in after the town was established and influenced it somehow.

===Theory that New Crew is before Band of Thieves===

==== Theory 1 ====
In [[The New Crew]], [[Ladyir]] simply finds the key within a desk, virtually unguarded. It could be that after [[Merci|Merci's]] crew failed to retrieve the key for [[Nisovin]], the Elves realized that the keys were important for some reason. They then entrusted [[Gwyneth]] to wear the key around her neck at all times while they researched what the key was used for. Nisovin, seeing that an outright assault on the elves failed to get the key, hires [[Yumi]] to take it by stealth.

==== Theory 2 ====
Rob mentioned in The New Crew behind the scenes video that there are multiple keys. So it could be that the keys within these two campaigns are different ones entirely.

===Theory that Band of Thieves is before New Crew ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]], [[Nisovin]] has to be pressed for him to reveal what the key looks like. He eventually describes it as orange and glowing but when it seems like the thieves might try to trick him, he immediately warns "Don't just cover a key with tang and bring it back to me!". In [[The New Crew]] when Nisovin gives [[Merci]] the mission, he describes the key as "tang colored". It could be reasoned that Nisovin only thought about it being "tang colored" after his original warning to the thieves. This may also be the reason why [[Fenrus]] was weaker in New Crew then in Band of Thieves, because he was still recovering from the previous battle.

==== Theory 2 ====
Nisovin hired [[Yumi]] and her band of Thieves to sneak into the Temple of the Fallen Sun and steal the key originally. However, when they failed the key was moved to a more secure location on the remote island of [[Laeyuleaugh]] where the Sunswords had a summer home. With the key only reachable by sea, Nisovin then hired the crew of the [[Bocoe]], who had, in [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], already proven themselves before to him, to try to steal the key once more.

=== Theory that Unseen Rogues is before Roamin's Band of Thieves ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In Unseen Rogues when [[Neena Brando]] uses [[Puppeteer#Lascene|Lascene]], [[Squinks]] gets a copy from his [[Treasures#Spellwall_Armor | Spellwall Armor]]. Then, in Roamin's Band of Thieves, Squinks gives his spellwall armour to [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Nessie|Nessie]] in order to cross the bridge. Note that this is very weak evidence, as Squinks could easily have gotten another spellwall armour after giving his old one to Nessie.

==== Theory 2 - ''Note: non-canon'' ====
There was a possibility that [[K4]] would appear in Unseen Rogues instead of [[Squinks]], as any of the four player characters from Roamin's Band of Thieves could have appeared. Since we know that K4 went to live with the monkey fish king after RBoT we can safely assume that RBoT occurs after Unseen Rogues, however this is not true. It may be so convenient, but K4 could easily have left the monkey fish king to join a band of thieves for a while, and then came back later for [[The Many Gobos of Pat]], or have stayed long enough for TMGoP and left afterwards.

===Theory that Guild of Explorers is before Battle of the Bards===
During [[List of Organizations|The Future Winner's]] first round of performances at [[Battle of the Bards]] competition, while against Marcel the Mime [[Vanessa Squishwitz]], thanks to the help of [[Popo]] and [[Gear Man]] was covered in a sprinkle of fire and ice. [[Rob]], in an out of character sense, asked if [[Patrick Cake]] from [[Guild of Explorers]] was present in the audience. Rob then rolled, and got an 18. [[Deadbones]] then stated that a Gnome started screaming, implying that Patrick was in the crowd, but didn't explain any further. If that gnome was Patrick, this would be a PTSD attack of his. If he was present in the crowd, Guild of Explorers would be before Battle of the Bards.

== Possible Extended Timeline ==
Rob formerly confirmed in a tweet [https://twitter.com/urealms/status/557383763530088448] that UR Live takes place after Lords of Minecraft, and will be followed by Unforgotten Quest, and Dwarves vs. Zombies will be the apocalyptic end of the timeline. However, a more recent Reddit comment said URLive, DvZ, and LoM take place in separate universes.

[[Category:Gameplay Elements]]

Timeline

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'''The Timeline''' of Unforgotten Realms Live is currently being constructed.

==Canon Confirmed Timeline==
1.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Porc Hunters]]
# [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]]
# [[The New Crew]]

2.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Porc Hunters]]
# [[Murder Bros]]
# [[The Silvermine Mountains]]
# [[Woodcarvers]]

3.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Kobold Headhunters]]

4.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]
# [[Unexpected Discovery]]

5.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[The Blood Snake Queen]]
# [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]]

6.
# [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]]
# [[Murder Bros]]

7.
# [[The Sunswords]]
# [[Battle of the Bards]]

8.
# [[The Cobblers]]
# [[The Death of Virgo]]

9.
# [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]]
# [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]
# [[Unexpected Discovery]]

==Reasons why these Timelines are Canon==
'''IMPORTANT: There is currently no evidence that [[The Unseen Rogues]] and [[Kobold Headhunters]] occur at the same time. See the theories for more information.'''

1.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Phineas]] has yet to join [[List_of_Organizations#Theta Squad|Theta Squad]] or become a master [[Cabalist]]. He is still in training and knows no Cabalist skills. In [[Porc Hunters]], Phineas has become all of this and joins Theta Squad. This confirms that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters. The time between the two campaigns is likely only a few months or years as Phineas is a prepubescent child in both and in Sunswords he has already been referred to as a young adult so he is likely around 10 to 12 in human years.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Jakelad]] is still alive and seen working on the song "[[Fuck the Kobolds]]". In [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], he sings "Fuck the Kobolds" frequently until the point of his death. This confirms that Sunswords predates The Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# In [[The New Crew]], [[Kinney Boots]] leaves the crew, [[Jo Krysstal]] is killed, and most of the remaining crew (including [[Merci|Captain Merci]] and [[McCoy|first mate McCoy]]) are sent to the [[Silvermine Mountains]]. McCoy also starts The New Crew with his tentacle arm. Because of this, we know that The New Crew takes place after The Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# In [[The New Crew]], [[Phineas]] joins the crew. This time, he has his Cabalist powers and has begun to go insane from repeatedly using [[Cabalist#Blanket of Darkness|Blanket of Darkness]] on himself. Because of this, we know that The New Crew must take place after [[Porc Hunters]]. As a result of this, we also know that [[Ca-Rell]] must have had [[Lieutenant Surge]] before [[Kinney Boots]] acquired it. Because of this, we know that Porc Hunters also predates Jewel of the Dingo Isles.
# While [[McCoy]] and [[Phineas]] pillage [[Laeyuleaugh]], Phineas points out that [[Pot Puppies]] only live a year before reverting to seeds. McCoy admits that [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Cooper|Cooper]] is on his last legs, but asserts he's still fit as ever. Based on this information, we can assume that [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]] takes place approximately 1 year before [[The New Crew]].
2.
# In [[The Sunswords]], [[Phineas]] has yet to join [[List_of_Organizations#Theta Squad|Theta Squad]] or become a master [[Cabalist]]. He is still in training and knows no Cabalist skills. In [[Porc Hunters]], Phineas has become all of this and joins Theta Squad. This confirms that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters. The time between the two campaigns is likely only a few months or years as Phineas is a prepubescent child in both and in Sunswords he has already been referred to as a young adult so he is likely around 10 to 12 in human years.
# In [[Murder Bros]], [[Dave]] is killed while taking [[Chimera]] to the [[Silvermine Mountains]], placing the campaign after his appearance in [[Porc Hunters]] and before the destruction of the Silvermine Mountains in [[The Silvermine Mountains]].
# In [[Woodcarvers]], [[Gwyneth Sunsword]] and [[Kallark]] appear to the Woodcarvers, telling them that they have been following the trail of [[Golestandt]] for two days, fighting the mindless [[Ageless]] creatures that it has been creating. We therefore know that Woodcarvers takes place after [[The Silvermine Mountains]].
3.
# [[Kobold Headhunters]] is set after [[The Sunswords]] and because [[Burrito]] is seen referring to Jakelad's Kobold song (which he created in The Sunswords) as a "classic".
4.
# In [[The Zarlin Catacombs]], [[Sergio Fabioso]] had a copy of the famous [[Boyfriend Quest]], which he gave to [[Morgana Marie]]. Boyfriend Quest was being written in [[Sunswords]] by the Elf [[Dave]]. Because of this, it is canon that Sunswords comes before The Zarlin Catacombs.
# In [[Unexpected Discovery]], a Kobold Bromas appears, who is starting to accept his change into a Kobold Bromas also met his fate in this campaign. Bromas was changed into a Kobold in [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]. With this in mind, we know that [[Unexpected Discovery]] takes place after [[The Sunswords]], [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]], and [[The Zarlin Catacombs]].
5.
# In [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]], multiple characters reference [[Dave]]'s book, [[Boyfriend Quest]]. As it was still being written in [[The Sunswords]], Okagnoma Guild Hall must come after that.
# In [[Okagnoma Guild Hall]], a few moments after the group of students teleport into the cave, the mercenary group from [[The Blood Snake Queen]] commences their tower manoeuvre, ultimately failing before they retreat. With this information, we know that the third encounter of Okagnoma Guild Hall happens during the final encounter of The Blood Snake Queen.
6.
# In [[Murder Bros]], [[Dave]] is killed, placing the campaign after his appearance in [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]].
7.
# In [[Battle of the Bards]], while the [[List of Organizations#The Future Winners||Future Winners]] are battling Marcel the Mime, Vanessa starts singing the "Fuck the Kobolds" song that [[Jakelad]] created in [[Sunswords]] with the help of [[Kallark]]. With this information, we now know that Battle of the Bards is after Sunswords.
8.
# In [[The Cobblers]], [[Reginald Barringster III]] has his mind made blank by [[Borris Cobbler]], allowing for him to become twisted by [[Flesh Monstrosity#The Cobblers|Legion]] to eventually betray [[Virgo Sunsword]] and his comrades during [[The Death of Virgo]].
9.
# In [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]] campaign, we see [[Morgana Marie]] talking to an Elf named J.J. about various artifacts, and eventually they start talking about The Zarlin Catacombs. J.J. then tells Morgana that some Paladins are going into the Catacombs to search through it. Morgana managed to convince J.J. with a bag of gold that she is apart of said Paladin group as a tourist.
# In [[Unexpected Discovery]], a Kobold Bromas appears, who is starting to accept his change into a Kobold Bromas also met his fate in this campaign. Bromas was changed into a Kobold in [[The Zarlin Catacombs]]. With this in mind, we know that [[Unexpected Discovery]] takes place after [[The Sunswords]], [[The Tower of Ultimate Wizardry: Chapter One]], and [[The Zarlin Catacombs]].

==Theories==

=== Theory for Sunswords to be before Roamin's Band of Thieves ===
[[Gwyneth Sunsword]] mentions whilst she has a baby her desire to go and spend some time with some [[Sun Cleric]]s. She, however, loses the baby, so likely did not do this straight after [[Sunswords]]. Gwyneth does do this at some point, however, whether it be before or after Sunswords, and among them she spends time with [[Dave]]. Also in Sunswords and Roamin's Band of Thieves, Dave is not a captain, but in Porc Hunters he is. Promotion maybe, but also possibly a demotion so it does not prove anything.

=== Theory for Roamin's Band of Thieves to be after Porc Hunters ===
The time space between [[Sunswords]] and [[Porc Hunters]] has been proven to be very short, perhaps at most a couple a years. In this time Gwyneth would have to have a reason (ie. injury or baby) to leave the Sunswords and go live with some Sun Clerics. [[Dave]] would also have to have a reason for why he should leave and go with her. It is possible that then Dave left the Sunswords with Gwyneth and went to live with Sun Clerics as Gwyneth broke up with [[Xavius]] and started going out with [[Dave]] as Gwyneth said in Sunswords that Dave would be her next boyfirend so there is a possible relationship there. It is possible, therefore, that Gwyneth is dating Dave in Porc Hunters (whilst they are both part of the Sunswords taking prisoners to the [[Silver Mine Mountains]]), which would explain why [[Ca-Rell]] asked Dave how Gwyneth is. Dave and Gwyneth were dating the party was split at the time with Gwyneth leading one expedition and Gwyneth's number two who would obviously be Dave when you consider how she treats [[Kallark]] in Sunswords leading another. Dave then gets Gwyneth pregnant and they leave the Sunswords to go to live with some Sun Clerics. During [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]] Gwyneth is pregnant with Dave's child and then afterwards she gives birth. This would mean that Roamin's Band of Thieves happens a non-specific time after Porc Hunters.

=== Theory for Porc Hunters to be after Roamin's Band of Thieves ===

==== Theory 1 ====
It is commonly believed that [[Porc Hunters]] happened after [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]], due to the elf, [[Dave]] being present during both campaigns and stating about a "band of thieves connected to the prisoner Kobold" event happening to [[Gwyneth Sunsword|Gwyneth Sunsword's]] Sunblades. However the prisoner kobold was [[Chimera]], not [[Philhipé]] nor was it stated that the thieves where gnomes and a dwarf. It should be noted that it was also said that the thieves were conected to the Kobold in the prison wagon (ie Chimera) however there is no evidence that Roamin's band of thieves ever met or had even heard of Chimera.

==== Theory 2 ====
Another theory states that since Dave is not a captain in either Sunswords or Band of Thieves, but is a captain in Porc Hunters, and since it is already known that Sunswords predates Porc Hunters due to Phineas joining Theta Squad at the end of Porc Hunters, then (using Occam's Razor) it is most likely that Dave was promoted/demoted to Captain after both Sunswords and Band of Thieves, rather than promoted and then suddenly demoted (or vice versa). Thus, Roamin's Band of Thieves most likely predates Porc Hunters.

=== Theories explaining how Kinney Boots acquired Lieutenant Surge from Ca-Rell===

==== Theory 1 ====
[[Kinney Boots]] stole from, or killed, [[Ca-Rell]] to obtain the enchanted mace.

==== Theory 2 ====
[[Merci]] is actually [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Porco|Porco]] from [[Ca-Rell|Ca-Rell's]] cave of Porcs and that Porco, after being named, began to grow in pride. He educated himself and eventually betrayed Ca-Rell, greedy for power and stole Lieutenant Surge. He left the cave and renamed himself Merci. He then went on to seek his fortune as a pirate captain. After Kinney joins the crew and Porco, now Merci, starts using an anchor as a weapon Merci gives Kinney Lieutenant Surge as a gift since they are dating (thought because Merci was in his cabin for 13 days and Kinney's coat was also in Merci's cabin). This would mean that The Jewel of the Dingo Isles occurs many years after Porc Hunters.

This theory is currently very unlikely because of [[Phineas Barringster|Phineas]] appearing as a young child in both [[Porc Hunters]] and [[The New Crew]], which means that the time between these campaigns is likely not more than a few years.

==== Theory 3 ====

In the card description for the [[Treasures#Bewitching_Mirror|Bewitching Mirror]], it says that if the mirror is destroyed, the person trapped in it is released. If the mirror broke at the end of [[Porc Hunters]], then [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Porco|Porco]] could have escaped from the mirror and killed [[Ca-Rell]], explaining how the mace left Ca-Rell's possession. At some point after this, [[Kinney Boots]] found and/or stole the mace, thus why she owned it in [[Jewel of the Dingo Isles]].

===Theories Regarding Kobold Headhunters===

==== Theory 1 ====
The first encounter of [[Kobold Headhunters]] is set during the final encounter of [[The Unseen Rogues]] because [[Neena]] appears out of [[Romulus|Romulus']] [[Vampire Locket]] and is required to clean her [[Nobleborn Knife]] before leaving use it to finish the final encounter in [[The Unseen Rogues]]. This is unconfirmed because it is unclear how the [[Vampire Locket]] works.

==== Theory 2 ====
[[Kobold Headhunters]] takes place years after [[The Unseen Rogues]], because [[Romulus]] mentions that his ancestor (which he never decides on the number of "great"s for) was killed by someone, and the killing is not implied to have been very recent. In The Unseen Rogues, he comes out of the [[Vampire Locket]] and tries to take revenge on [[Omally]], the person who supposedly killed his ancestor. Omally specifically mentions that the kobold attacking him is supposed to be dead, likely referring to Romulus's ancestor. However, it is unlikely that Omally would mistake an old man kobold for a different adult Kobold aside from a passing family resemblance, leading to the possibility that Romulus comes from some point in the future.

==== Theory 3 ====
''Note: this is not technically a theory, but it has been thought to make the events of The Silvermine Mountains and Kobold Headhunters have a canonical order in past, so it should be kept to explain why it doesn't.''

During [[The Silvermine Mountains]] campaign [[Gwyneth Sunsword]] discusses with the other elves how they are the superior race. She mentions that elves have the responsibility to look after the lesser races for the lesser races' own good. As an example of this she mentions in passing how they looked after the inhabitants of [[Karazzim]]. This means they either the elves have done something in the town of Karazzim at some point, but this does not necessarily put [[Kobold Headhunters]] before or after [[The Silvermine Mountains]]. It is thought that the elves may have either established the town, or came in after the town was established and influenced it somehow.

===Theory that New Crew is before Band of Thieves===

==== Theory 1 ====
In [[The New Crew]], [[Ladyir]] simply finds the key within a desk, virtually unguarded. It could be that after [[Merci|Merci's]] crew failed to retrieve the key for [[Nisovin]], the Elves realized that the keys were important for some reason. They then entrusted [[Gwyneth]] to wear the key around her neck at all times while they researched what the key was used for. Nisovin, seeing that an outright assault on the elves failed to get the key, hires [[Yumi]] to take it by stealth.

==== Theory 2 ====
Rob mentioned in The New Crew behind the scenes video that there are multiple keys. So it could be that the keys within these two campaigns are different ones entirely.

===Theory that Band of Thieves is before New Crew ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In [[Roamin's Band of Thieves]], [[Nisovin]] has to be pressed for him to reveal what the key looks like. He eventually describes it as orange and glowing but when it seems like the thieves might try to trick him, he immediately warns "Don't just cover a key with tang and bring it back to me!". In [[The New Crew]] when Nisovin gives [[Merci]] the mission, he describes the key as "tang colored". It could be reasoned that Nisovin only thought about it being "tang colored" after his original warning to the thieves. This may also be the reason why [[Fenrus]] was weaker in New Crew then in Band of Thieves, because he was still recovering from the previous battle.

==== Theory 2 ====
Nisovin hired [[Yumi]] and her band of Thieves to sneak into the Temple of the Fallen Sun and steal the key originally. However, when they failed the key was moved to a more secure location on the remote island of [[Laeyuleaugh]] where the Sunswords had a summer home. With the key only reachable by sea, Nisovin then hired the crew of the [[Bocoe]], who had, in [[The Jewel of the Dingo Isles]], already proven themselves before to him, to try to steal the key once more.

=== Theory that Unseen Rogues is before Roamin's Band of Thieves ===
==== Theory 1 ====
In Unseen Rogues when [[Neena Brando]] uses [[Puppeteer#Lascene|Lascene]], [[Squinks]] gets a copy from his [[Treasures#Spellwall_Armor | Spellwall Armor]]. Then, in Roamin's Band of Thieves, Squinks gives his spellwall armour to [[List_of_Minor_Characters#Nessie|Nessie]] in order to cross the bridge. Note that this is very weak evidence, as Squinks could easily have gotten another spellwall armour after giving his old one to Nessie.

==== Theory 2 - ''Note: non-canon'' ====
There was a possibility that [[K4]] would appear in Unseen Rogues instead of [[Squinks]], as any of the four player characters from Roamin's Band of Thieves could have appeared. Since we know that K4 went to live with the monkey fish king after RBoT we can safely assume that RBoT occurs after Unseen Rogues, however this is not true. It may be so convenient, but K4 could easily have left the monkey fish king to join a band of thieves for a while, and then came back later for [[The Many Gobos of Pat]], or have stayed long enough for TMGoP and left afterwards.

===Theory that Guild of Explorers is before Battle of the Bards===
During [[List of Organizations|The Future Winner's]] first round of performances at [[Battle of the Bards]] competition, while against Marcel the Mime [[Vanessa Squishwitz]], thanks to the help of [[Popo]] and [[Gear Man]] was covered in a sprinkle of fire and ice. [[Rob]], in an out of character sense, asked if [[Patrick Cake]] from [[Guild of Explorers]] was present in the audience. Rob then rolled, and got an 18. [[Deadbones]] then stated that a Gnome started screaming, implying that Patrick was in the crowd, but didn't explain any further. If that gnome was Patrick, this would be a PTSD attack of his. If he was present in the crowd, Guild of Explorers would be before Battle of the Bards.

== Possible Extended Timeline ==
Rob formerly confirmed in a tweet [https://twitter.com/urealms/status/557383763530088448] that UR Live takes place after Lords of Minecraft, and will be followed by Unforgotten Quest, and Dwarves vs. Zombies will be the apocalyptic end of the timeline. However, a more recent Reddit comment said URLive, DvZ, and LoM take place in separate universes.

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